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Post by jsumania on May 25, 2023 23:28:39 GMT -6
Those aren't the numbers for their latest contract. The SBC's re-negotiated contract from this past July (which added in Marshall, Southern Miss, Old Dominion, and JMU) and expanded their TV coverage, and supposedly gave them a revenue boost, fully begins this fall. It was partially activated for spring 2023, mainly so baseball and softball could have replay capability. I'd suspect we'll start to see better reports next football season on what exactly the SBC is raking in. The Sports Business Journal is one of the most reliable sources of sports information out there. I doubt them throwing out the "$1.2 million per school" is something they took from a forum or beat writer.
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Post by gemofthehills on May 26, 2023 5:51:55 GMT -6
How does any team afford to go to the SBC? I understand why the SBC3 did, fear the conference was dying and needed a home. But under current conditions the pay isnt there to justify the cost of changing. By some accounts the SBC will get less revenue than CUSA but its probably close enough than neither conference will steal from the other without some major changes.
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Post by jsumania on May 28, 2023 9:53:00 GMT -6
How does any team afford to go to the SBC? I understand why the SBC3 did, fear the conference was dying and needed a home. But under current conditions the pay isnt there to justify the cost of changing. By some accounts the SBC will get less revenue than CUSA but its probably close enough than neither conference will steal from the other without some major changes. From a very reliable source I have... Southern Miss was going to the SBC, regardless of who stayed or left CUSA.
Marshall and Old Dominion admin were having meetings, which have since become public, about forming a new east conference. They were unable to get enough schools on board, and the idea didn't advance very far. Appalachian State was a key cog in it all, and they were interested, but they were apparently worried about leaving the SBC for a new conference that may not have equaled the revenue they were getting in the SBC. There was also a worry that ESPN wouldn't offer much since they already had long-term contracts with the SBC, AAC, MAC, and some of the P5 conferences. There was likely going to be less competition to bid for media rights for this new "east coast" conference. Which looking at what's happening with the Pac-12 now.... that was probably a good choice.
So Marshall and Old Dominion, after knowing that Southern Miss had already been in contact with the SBC (and knowing that the CUSA-6 would be heading to the AAC), contacted the SBC to see what it would look like if they joined. They all looked at the figures of what ESPN was going to offer if all 3 joined, and what the SBC would do as far as eliminating entrance fees. Marshall and ODU also inquired about James Madison joining the SBC, which wa one sticking point for Marshall and ODU to join. The outlook of having a 14-team conference that would have the potential to break in a NY6 or Playoff was also an intriguing prospect from a revenue standpoint. On another note, Marshall and ODU were interested in getting involved with ESPN and having their programs back on the national stage, as well as having easier access for their fans to be able to watch games from a single streaming service.
Thus, JMU, Marshall, ODU, and the SBC got together, figured it all out as far as revenue goes, and a commitment was made. There was also a stipulation that the SBC had to inact new policies over the next few years to improve basketball to be among the best mid-major basketball conferences, without sacrificing football. That was one of ODU's sticking points. And the SBC agreed. Which is now why we're seeing the SBC talk about scheduling tougher competition an buying more home games after they just had their spring meetings.
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Post by gemofthehills on May 28, 2023 18:54:49 GMT -6
So the move would be for more visibility? If the SBC adds teams ESPN isnt going to have more spots on anything but ESPN+. According to ON3 and 24/7 the SBC deal is only worth $500,000 which means the money isnt the reason to move. SBC does have the advantage of its teams are not pursued by other conferences so it stable. Is this good or not?
Middle may be able to parlay an invite to the American being close to Nashville and KSU could do the same. Liberty has a huge following and should be attractive to the American. Moving among the SBC, MAC and CUSA make little to no sense/cents. All of these schools have no advantage to move to any of these 3 conferences, spend your efforts getting OOC games with the rival schools not in your conference.
JSU for example needs to get OOC games with these type schools (cant get them all just want work every year), troy, UAB, GSU, GaSo and possibly App, South or Memphis. If we left CUSA then we could include Middle, KSU and WKU on this list. Not much different as our perfect league would have all of these schools and more than likely it isnt coming anytime soon. The Coastal games are bad games for us just a little far away for my example.
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Post by jsumania on May 30, 2023 12:48:00 GMT -6
So the move would be for more visibility? If the SBC adds teams ESPN isnt going to have more spots on anything but ESPN+. According to ON3 and 24/7 the SBC deal is only worth $500,000 which means the money isnt the reason to move. SBC does have the advantage of its teams are not pursued by other conferences so it stable. Is this good or not? The on3 article you're referencing is from 2021. The 247 article being referenced only had its sources from whatever media report the author found, and didn't even include the SBC's NFL Network deal. These SBC numbers are from their old deal which ends this year.
As I've mentioned before, the SBC's new deal (the one mentioned in the Sports Business Journal), is set to increase to $1.2 million per school, most likely beginning on July 1.
The Sun Belt's re-newed media deal begins this year, and according to ESPN has expanded their media rights:
* SBC gets a 50% increase in the number of football games that appear on ESPN’s linear offerings (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU) * 40% of those new opportunities will be televised on a Saturday. * 6,000 additional live events available on the ESPN+ platform, including men’s soccer, women’s soccer, women’s volleyball, baseball and softball.
So they will be getting on TV a lot more beginning this fall. Their ESPN deal previously gave them 15 games on the linear networks. 8 of them were on Saturdays. The NFL Network already gives them 5 televised Saturday games.
Their new ESPN deal this fall will give them at least 22 nationally televised games, with 11 now being on Saturdays.
Like I've said before, I'd love for JSU to make a move to the SBC, not only for the regional rivalries, but for the national visibility and the majority Saturday games. It is undoubtedly more than CUSA, and I'd have to imagine our admin would take an invite from the SBC tomorrow if it came (as long as it wasn't a raided/diluted SBC).
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Post by gemofthehills on May 30, 2023 13:24:13 GMT -6
So the move would be for more visibility? If the SBC adds teams ESPN isnt going to have more spots on anything but ESPN+. According to ON3 and 24/7 the SBC deal is only worth $500,000 which means the money isnt the reason to move. SBC does have the advantage of its teams are not pursued by other conferences so it stable. Is this good or not? The on3 article you're referencing is from 2021. The 247 article being referenced only had its sources from whatever media report the author found, and didn't even include the SBC's NFL Network deal. These SBC numbers are from their old deal which ends this year.
As I've mentioned before, the SBC's new deal (the one mentioned in the Sports Business Journal), is set to increase to $1.2 million per school, most likely beginning on July 1.
The Sun Belt's re-newed media deal begins this year, and according to ESPN has expanded their media rights:
* SBC gets a 50% increase in the number of football games that appear on ESPN’s linear offerings (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU) * 40% of those new opportunities will be televised on a Saturday. * 6,000 additional live events available on the ESPN+ platform, including men’s soccer, women’s soccer, women’s volleyball, baseball and softball.
So they will be getting on TV a lot more beginning this fall. Their ESPN deal previously gave them 15 games on the linear networks. 8 of them were on Saturdays. The NFL Network already gives them 5 televised Saturday games.
Their new ESPN deal this fall will give them at least 22 nationally televised games, with 11 now being on Saturdays.
Like I've said before, I'd love for JSU to make a move to the SBC, not only for the regional rivalries, but for the national visibility and the majority Saturday games. It is undoubtedly more than CUSA, and I'd have to imagine our admin would take an invite from the SBC tomorrow if it came (as long as it wasn't a raided/diluted SBC).
Whoever wrote this article did some hard math. Why use 50% of 15 which come to a half game and 40% of 7 come to less than 3? But maybe its over the life of the deal? So SBC will have 11 games on Saturday linear TV and 11 midweek games total of 22. Avg per team (14 teams) .79 games per season on Saturday linear TV. Avg per team of .79 mid week games on linear TV per season. While CUSA will have 18 linear TV games on Saturday ( I assume CBS will be all Saturdays) or 1.8 per team per season and 8 mid week or .80 per team midweek. Double the averages for both league if all the games are against in conference teams. CUSA will have a total of 26 games on linear TV. I went ahead and calculated CUSA with 10 teams. Both leagues appear to be getting all other games on ESPN+ or 3. Not seeing a huge amount of extra visibility in the SBC. What am I missing? Do you have a link to the article saying the SBC will get 1.2 million per team? I cant find the article.
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Post by jsumania on May 30, 2023 16:36:17 GMT -6
The on3 article you're referencing is from 2021. The 247 article being referenced only had its sources from whatever media report the author found, and didn't even include the SBC's NFL Network deal. These SBC numbers are from their old deal which ends this year.
As I've mentioned before, the SBC's new deal (the one mentioned in the Sports Business Journal), is set to increase to $1.2 million per school, most likely beginning on July 1.
The Sun Belt's re-newed media deal begins this year, and according to ESPN has expanded their media rights:
* SBC gets a 50% increase in the number of football games that appear on ESPN’s linear offerings (ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU) * 40% of those new opportunities will be televised on a Saturday. * 6,000 additional live events available on the ESPN+ platform, including men’s soccer, women’s soccer, women’s volleyball, baseball and softball.
So they will be getting on TV a lot more beginning this fall. Their ESPN deal previously gave them 15 games on the linear networks. 8 of them were on Saturdays. The NFL Network already gives them 5 televised Saturday games.
Their new ESPN deal this fall will give them at least 22 nationally televised games, with 11 now being on Saturdays.
Like I've said before, I'd love for JSU to make a move to the SBC, not only for the regional rivalries, but for the national visibility and the majority Saturday games. It is undoubtedly more than CUSA, and I'd have to imagine our admin would take an invite from the SBC tomorrow if it came (as long as it wasn't a raided/diluted SBC).
Whoever wrote this article did some hard math. Why use 50% of 15 which come to a half game and 40% of 7 come to less than 3? But maybe its over the life of the deal? So SBC will have 11 games on Saturday linear TV and 11 midweek games total of 22. Avg per team (14 teams) .79 games per season on Saturday linear TV. Avg per team of .79 mid week games on linear TV per season. While CUSA will have 18 linear TV games on Saturday ( I assume CBS will be all Saturdays) or 1.8 per team per season and 8 mid week or .80 per team midweek. Double the averages for both league if all the games are against in conference teams. CUSA will have a total of 26 games on linear TV. I went ahead and calculated CUSA with 10 teams. Both leagues appear to be getting all other games on ESPN+ or 3. Not seeing a huge amount of extra visibility in the SBC. What am I missing? Do you have a link to the article saying the SBC will get 1.2 million per team? I cant find the article. That 50%/40% increase is per season. Not over the life of the deal.
And none of our football games will be on a linear network on a Saturday. That's the messed up part about our deal. All televised games on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, and CBS Sports will be midweek games. We get absolutely nothing on a Saturday unless it's on ESPN+. That's why 5 of our 8 CUSA matchups are all on weekdays.
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Post by gemofthehills on May 31, 2023 18:46:11 GMT -6
Looks like CUSA has 11 Saturday linear broadcast and 5 by playing other teams with games on linear for a total of 16 20 Midweek games on linear
What is ESPN Platforms? Does this mean it could be played anywhere from ESPN to ESPN+ or is this a different deal altogether?
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Post by gemofthehills on May 31, 2023 18:54:44 GMT -6
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Post by gemofthehills on May 31, 2023 19:20:24 GMT -6
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Post by gemofthehills on May 31, 2023 19:28:30 GMT -6
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Post by gemofthehills on May 31, 2023 19:34:07 GMT -6
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 1, 2023 6:42:19 GMT -6
As of now the know linear TV games by Conference
CUSA: 36 (9 teams) MWC: 46 (12 teams) MAC: 38 (12 teams) AAC: 36 (14 teams) SBC: 19 (14 teams)
Championship games not included.
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Post by jsumania on Jun 1, 2023 7:01:44 GMT -6
Looks like CUSA has 11 Saturday linear broadcast and 5 by playing other teams with games on linear for a total of 16 20 Midweek games on linear What is ESPN Platforms? Does this mean it could be played anywhere from ESPN to ESPN+ or is this a different deal altogether? ESPN platforms means it could be anything from ESPN to ESPN+... the most likely of which would probably be the latter. It's at ESPN's discretion where they place them. ESPN simply waits to see if there are any intriguing matchups that unfold before deciding where to place them.
Even handfuls of Big 12 intra-conference games are going to be placed on ESPN+ for this coming season. Last year, some of their decent games like Texas Tech/Kansas, Baylor/Oklahoma, and West Virginia/Iowa State were even placed on ESPN+.
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Post by jsumania on Jun 1, 2023 7:10:49 GMT -6
ESPN hasn't started on the SBC's Saturday matchups yet. They generally save some slots in their inventory in case their are "quality matchups" they can put on one of their linear networks. I'd expect ESPN to double the SBC's appearances on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU at some point before the season, or as the season goes on. It almost always does. According to Nielsen, the SBC generally had at least one, sometimes two Saturday games every weekend on either ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU.
Don't forget about their NFL Network deal either. That will be at least 5 additional "linear" network games.
All of our conference matchups on Saturdays will not be on ESPN main cable networks. They'll only be on CBS Sports Network, which is also a linear network, but it's also a sports-package network, just like the NFL Network.
The majority of cable or streaming packages don't include CBS Sports Network unless you purchase the additional "sports package." And some don't even carry it at all. No games on CBSSN will ever come close to 1 million viewers either. Rarely do they even reach 500K. And that's with Army and Navy sometimes playing on there.
It's beneficial to get those Saturday ESPN/ESPN2 games, where viewership can get into the millions since those are both usually part of basic cable or streaming packages. Because like I said, we literally have no CUSA matchups on ESPN, ESPN2, or even ESPNU on a Saturday.
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