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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 10, 2024 8:10:26 GMT -6
Get used to it folks we and all of the G5 is the development league for the highest bidder. No matter how much you donate to an NIL. That, sadly, is a painful truth. 100%. As much as we've groaned about the absence of a low NIL fund for football and lack of NIL for other sports, listening to fans from other CUSA and SBC schools (including such notables as WKU, Liberty, App, and JMU) they are every bit at the mercy of the Power Greed teams as we are. Heck, even the lower tier power teams are at the mercy of deeper-pocketed NILs. Have a strong, proven player? Don't count on him being around next season. He gone. What's that? You've locked him in with a cushy NIL deal worth six figures? Awesome. If he's good enough, Bama or Georgia or Ohio State or Texas or USC or whoever will just come along and double it. What's that? You claim tampering? Who's gonna enforce those penalties? The NCAA? The CFP? The Big Ten or SEC?! We lowly G5s will just have to shut up and take it. Welcome to the new normal.
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Post by beauregard on Apr 10, 2024 8:18:57 GMT -6
RB Ron Wiggins to the portal! WOW!
Nothing personal. Just Business!
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Post by brother on Apr 10, 2024 9:04:11 GMT -6
Ron is a good running back, but his skill set seems to be one that he has to have the right type of offense to fit him. It will be interesting to see where he goes. I can’t imagine that he will get any more playing time somewhere else. If he goes to a Power 4 school, most of them are using the big 220 pound running backs. That’s not him. Another G5 could be a possibility, but I would think it would have to be one with some extra NIL money. NIL money would be the only reason I think he would leave. I also don’t think he projects as a NFL guy.
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Post by toooldtocare on Apr 10, 2024 11:42:35 GMT -6
If a player accepts NIL from a collective why doesn’t the collective require a non-compete clause in the contract? Or a clawback provision?
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Post by brother on Apr 10, 2024 12:57:07 GMT -6
If a player accepts NIL from a collective why doesn’t the collective require a non-compete clause in the contract? Or a clawback provision? You would have to have all the collectives collude together to make that effective. I assume that would be illegal.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Apr 10, 2024 16:23:38 GMT -6
That, sadly, is a painful truth. 100%. As much as we've groaned about the absence of a low NIL fund for football and lack of NIL for other sports, listening to fans from other CUSA and SBC schools (including such notables as WKU, Liberty, App, and JMU) they are every bit at the mercy of the Power Greed teams as we are. Heck, even the lower tier power teams are at the mercy of deeper-pocketed NILs. Have a strong, proven player? Don't count on him being around next season. He gone. What's that? You've locked him in with a cushy NIL deal worth six figures? Awesome. If he's good enough, Bama or Georgia or Ohio State or Texas or USC or whoever will just come along and double it. What's that? You claim tampering? Who's gonna enforce those penalties? The NCAA? The CFP? The Big Ten or SEC?! We lowly G5s will just have to shut up and take it. Welcome to the new normal. Break away and don't continue to beg for scraps from the big table. Stop playing their game with their ball.
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Post by brother on Apr 10, 2024 18:56:08 GMT -6
100%. As much as we've groaned about the absence of a low NIL fund for football and lack of NIL for other sports, listening to fans from other CUSA and SBC schools (including such notables as WKU, Liberty, App, and JMU) they are every bit at the mercy of the Power Greed teams as we are. Heck, even the lower tier power teams are at the mercy of deeper-pocketed NILs. Have a strong, proven player? Don't count on him being around next season. He gone. What's that? You've locked him in with a cushy NIL deal worth six figures? Awesome. If he's good enough, Bama or Georgia or Ohio State or Texas or USC or whoever will just come along and double it. What's that? You claim tampering? Who's gonna enforce those penalties? The NCAA? The CFP? The Big Ten or SEC?! We lowly G5s will just have to shut up and take it. Welcome to the new normal. Break away and don't continue to beg for scraps from the big table. Stop playing their game with their ball. I don’t think that will stop them from poaching our players.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Apr 10, 2024 19:48:11 GMT -6
Break away and don't continue to beg for scraps from the big table. Stop playing their game with their ball. I don’t think that will stop them from poaching our players. Work toward a new governance that will discourage such behavior. Put a little more on the line for those who want to test the waters.
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Post by brother on Apr 10, 2024 20:03:00 GMT -6
I don’t think that will stop them from poaching our players. Work toward a new governance that will discourage such behavior. Put a little more on the line for those who want to test the waters. No chance of that winning in court. That's why we are in this mess now.
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Post by pubdaze on Apr 11, 2024 6:11:00 GMT -6
I don’t think that will stop them from poaching our players. Work toward a new governance that will discourage such behavior. Put a little more on the line for those who want to test the waters. NCAA & "governance"? Don't go together.
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Post by pix99 on Apr 11, 2024 11:03:01 GMT -6
I don’t think that will stop them from poaching our players. Work toward a new governance that will discourage such behavior. Put a little more on the line for those who want to test the waters. I used to think that once the current unsustainable system crashed & burned, your idea might work. But imagine a complete split of the Groupers from the Powers, with totally separate playoff systems, rules, governing bodies, conferences, tv deals... I don't see how there's any legal route that would stand a constitutional challenge preventing a player from G leaving to play with P. Any diamond-in-the-rough the P's miraculously overlooked that signs with JSU & develops into a stud player will absolutely be poached, stolen, snatched, hired, bribed... whatever term you choose, away from us. We can't prevent coaches who demonstrate a better than expected skill to not move to a higher paying job (anyone remember Bill C.?), & I don't see players legally being treated differently. The rich get richer and the... well, you know the rest.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 11, 2024 13:02:01 GMT -6
I hate the Portal and NIL and everything they've done to college sports.
The only consolation I get is that, for every player we lose to the Portal, we sign a new one. More or less.
We can only hope the ones we land are better than the ones we're losing.
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I still hate it.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Apr 11, 2024 17:13:51 GMT -6
Work toward a new governance that will discourage such behavior. Put a little more on the line for those who want to test the waters. I used to think that once the current unsustainable system crashed & burned, your idea might work. But imagine a complete split of the Groupers from the Powers, with totally separate playoff systems, rules, governing bodies, conferences, tv deals... I don't see how there's any legal route that would stand a constitutional challenge preventing a player from G leaving to play with P. Any diamond-in-the-rough the P's miraculously overlooked that signs with JSU & develops into a stud player will absolutely be poached, stolen, snatched, hired, bribed... whatever term you choose, away from us. We can't prevent coaches who demonstrate a better than expected skill to not move to a higher paying job (anyone remember Bill C.?), & I don't see players legally being treated differently. The rich get richer and the... well, you know the rest. You'll never stop the transfer to the p. But with a disconnect and a separate governance you can try to limit the transfers to your group benefit. Let's say player x leaves from a P team say GaTech don't let him return if it doesn't work out. That puts a lot more pressure on player x to make the best decision for himself Perhaps if you enter the portal you are out a year. Is it worth it to gamble on a move from app St to Jax St. If it costs a year. How bout app to Vanderbilt or Houston. You'd have to be a lot more careful about the choices you make. Etc.. I can't tell you what will be shot down or what will stand. But I can tell you in a system ran by the P conferences the G will never rise to the top, since the whole system is developed to benefit the P conferences.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Apr 11, 2024 17:19:47 GMT -6
I hate the Portal and NIL and everything they've done to college sports. The only consolation I get is that, for every player we lose to the Portal, we sign a new one. More or less. We can only hope the ones we land are better than the ones we're losing. ... I still hate it. That will never work. If you find that overlooked gem who is a phenom that will take you to the top he's quickly gone and your at the bottom again. You can't plug holes continuously losing this year's best player. All this destroys college football as there are no more developmental years Jax St will have to play any good players they have now or you lose them to other G5 teams. And if you do play them now and they look great they're gone still. You can't beat the house. The house makes the rules and always wins.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 12, 2024 9:12:06 GMT -6
The one change the NCAA has made which I believe they could reverse (if they wanted to) without legal penalties would be forcing transfers to sit out a year unless they've graduated from their original school.
This should pass legal muster because the transferred player would still be eligible to receive a scholarship. He simply wouldn't be eligible to play. You can go a step further (to appease the lawyers) by not treating this as a redshirt year. You're not robbing the player of a year of eligibility. You're merely postponing it.
This one simple change accomplishes two things:
1) Players transferring would know they'll be sitting on the bench for a year at their new school before getting on the field. A G5 starter is far more likely to be noticed by the NFL than a benchwarmer with zero playing time at a Power Greed (PG) team. A younger player may still transfer, since 19 year olds have all the time in the world. But a junior or senior is going to think twice about delaying his pro dreams for an extra year.
2) The fact that a 1st year transfer costs a scholarship with no on-field benefit will slow tampering down. If I'm a PG coach and make an illegal call to a G5 All American knowing he'll fill a need on my team this fall, I'm making that call. OK, I'll get an underling to make the call to a middle man who'll then contact the player. You have to cover your tracks. But the call WILL be made. But if that same call means I lose a scholarship with NO BENEFIT to me this fall, I'm going to be ultra-selective about making those kinds of offers. It won't stop tampering entirely -- if my stud left tackle is entering the Draft after this season, I can always bring in his replacement a year early. But it becomes an investment at that point, much like redshirting an untested 4- or 5-star high school player. I lose the scholarship this year in return for what I hope will be a solid player NEXT year.
You're never going to stop it. You can only hope to contain it.
Scholarships are finite. Making coaches think twice about giving up a scholarship will at least help contain it.
EDIT: Yes, I realize making this change would require the PG teams to give a crap about what they're doing to lower-tier teams. And they don't. So it'll never happen. But it's the one change they could make which wouldn't be successfully challenged in court.
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