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Post by pubdaze on Sept 9, 2021 6:26:31 GMT -6
Wonder how KSU will do on Sat against GT? GT lost last weekend to NIU. Bohannan was an asst coach under Paul Johnson at Tech. Surely there have been some conversations had between the two. Would love to see the Owls grab the dub. Well Paul Johnson isn't at Tech anymore so I don't think Paul Johnson is very keen on the ins and outs of GT football at the moment. Yes, I'm quite aware that Paul Johnson isn't and hasn't been at GT anymore. You're saying that once a coach leaves a program he no longer has any insights into the program? I suppose $Bill wasn't very keen on the ins and outs of JSU football? Okay.
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Post by pubdaze on Sept 9, 2021 6:29:22 GMT -6
Paul Johnson has more Orange Bowl and more D1 national championship wins than Rush has college football games as a HC. Two nattys at Ga Sou, and one runner up... was 11-1 against other service academies while at Navy, and won 10 games for the first time since 1905...also beat Notre Dame for the first time since 1963. His last few years at GT weren't great. Interestingly, his wife's maiden name was Propst. He is completely married to the triple option, and would win at JSU... but with the way the game is played today, I am not sure he could win it all. Bohannon served as an assistant coach under Johnson at GA Southern, Navy and GT and as we so painfully know runs the TO.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 9, 2021 7:29:40 GMT -6
Well Paul Johnson isn't at Tech anymore so I don't think Paul Johnson is very keen on the ins and outs of GT football at the moment. Yes, I'm quite aware that Paul Johnson isn't and hasn't been at GT anymore. You're saying that once a coach leaves a program he no longer has any insights into the program? I suppose $Bill wasn't very keen on the ins and outs of JSU football? Okay. Right but Grass and $Bill are quite good friends, coached a lot of games together, and they run very similar systems. Bill just doesn't suck at it. When GT brought in Geoff Collins they nuked the option and they don't run the wishbone anymore. And any personell insights have since lapsed due to how long Paul's been out of the building. So there isn't really a relationship between Paul and the team as it currently stands. I'm sure Paul can give pointers on how to improve Kennesaw, but I don't think he'd have much in the way of "tips and tricks of the GT Gameplan" these days. Maybe if there was, GT wouldn't be losing games to NIU.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 8:37:36 GMT -6
Triple option gives you three ways to lose.
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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 9, 2021 9:59:16 GMT -6
I've always referred to the T.O. as "God's offense" ... most of that goes back to the old "Hambone" attack run by Georgia Southern in the 80s under Erk Russell, with Tracy Ham at QB.
The only thing that compares to it was Tommie Frazier at Nebraska.
Just an incredible, unstoppable offensive force.
The '92 Gamecock national championship team caught some of that magic. We'd always run the ball well under Burgess, but Danny Lee gave us that missing dimension of a downfield threat. Run left, run right, dive up the middle, left, right, dive, left, right, dive... Once the defense decides that's all you're going to do and commits to stacking the box, boom. Pass to a wide open Danny Lee for a touchdown. Then run it some more.
I miss that brand of football.
That said... I don't know that it's as effective now as it once was. The athleticism on the defensive side of the ball has gotten silly in recent years.
Guys are are quicker and faster across the board, and even defensive linemen are better able to make plays sideline to sideline.
Forget P5. Most teams on the FCS level that run the option see success in the regular season because they're mainly facing lower-end defenses who haven't seen an option attack all season and make mistakes trying to defend it.
But once the playoffs hit, and those low-end defenses fall by the wayside, you're up against athletic, disciplined teams who understand how to play assignment ball up front, with defensive backs more than capable of playing man-to-man to guard against those "Danny Lee" surprises. And while stronger option teams can make a deep run, they hardly ever make it all the way to Frisco anymore.
I think the world of Paul Johnson as a coach. If we hired him, we'd be consistent Quarterfinalists. I'm almost positive. But I don't know that we'd ever get over that hump and win the NC.
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Post by pubdaze on Sept 9, 2021 10:12:17 GMT -6
I've always referred to the T.O. as "God's offense" ... most of that goes back to the old "Hambone" attack run by Georgia Southern in the 80s under Erk Russell, with Tracy Ham at QB. The only thing that compares to it was Tommie Frazier at Nebraska. Just an incredible, unstoppable offensive force. The '92 Gamecock national championship team caught some of that magic. We'd always run the ball well under Burgess, but Danny Lee gave us that missing dimension of a downfield threat. Run left, run right, dive up the middle, left, right, dive, left, right, dive... Once the defense decides that's all you're going to do and commits to stacking the box, boom. Pass to a wide open Danny Lee for a touchdown. Then run it some more. I miss that brand of football. That said... I don't know that it's as effective now as it once was. The athleticism on the defensive side of the ball has gotten silly in recent years. Guys are are quicker and faster across the board, and even defensive linemen are better able to make plays sideline to sideline. Forget P5. Most teams on the FCS level that run the option see success in the regular season because they're mainly facing lower-end defenses who haven't seen an option attack all season and make mistakes trying to defend it. But once the playoffs hit, and those low-end defenses fall by the wayside, you're up against athletic, disciplined teams who understand how to play assignment ball up front, with defensive backs more than capable of playing man-to-man to guard against those "Danny Lee" surprises. And while stronger option teams can make a deep run, they hardly ever make it all the way to Frisco anymore. I think the world of Paul Johnson as a coach. If we hired him, we'd be consistent Quarterfinalists. I'm almost positive. But I don't know that we'd ever get over that hump and win the NC. What is our "brand of football" these days under Grass?
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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 9, 2021 10:30:06 GMT -6
I've always referred to the T.O. as "God's offense" ... most of that goes back to the old "Hambone" attack run by Georgia Southern in the 80s under Erk Russell, with Tracy Ham at QB. The only thing that compares to it was Tommie Frazier at Nebraska. Just an incredible, unstoppable offensive force. The '92 Gamecock national championship team caught some of that magic. We'd always run the ball well under Burgess, but Danny Lee gave us that missing dimension of a downfield threat. Run left, run right, dive up the middle, left, right, dive, left, right, dive... Once the defense decides that's all you're going to do and commits to stacking the box, boom. Pass to a wide open Danny Lee for a touchdown. Then run it some more. I miss that brand of football. What is our "brand of football" these days under Grass? Since Eli and them graduated, I've viewed Grass's brand as an offense with crazy potential but with its hands tied behind its back. Clark hired Grass as his O.C. and immediately shifted to the very offense we're running now. And Clark's a smart guy. So what's the difference? Clark, both in his time at JSU and now at UAB, runs a fast-paced hurry-up no-huddle offense. Don't give the D time to rest, time to adjust. Run, run, run, go, go, go. Mix it up with the different plays a spread/RPO offense offers. We ran it this way in 2013, and though it slowed down considerably in '14 and '15, was still a fast moving offense. Then Eli graduated. And we went back to a normal paced, standard huddle offense. And even though we still have a variety of plays we can run out of that offense, we seldom catch any defenses off guard, because they have all the time in the world to make substitutions and adjustments. We can still make big plays. But it's up to the athletes to create those plays. (i.e., Put a Trae Barry out at TE and watch what happens.) But if we don't have an all-world athlete creating something out there, we just kind of stall out. That's our current brand.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 9, 2021 10:37:35 GMT -6
I've always referred to the T.O. as "God's offense" ... most of that goes back to the old "Hambone" attack run by Georgia Southern in the 80s under Erk Russell, with Tracy Ham at QB. The only thing that compares to it was Tommie Frazier at Nebraska. Just an incredible, unstoppable offensive force. The '92 Gamecock national championship team caught some of that magic. We'd always run the ball well under Burgess, but Danny Lee gave us that missing dimension of a downfield threat. Run left, run right, dive up the middle, left, right, dive, left, right, dive... Once the defense decides that's all you're going to do and commits to stacking the box, boom. Pass to a wide open Danny Lee for a touchdown. Then run it some more. I miss that brand of football. That said... I don't know that it's as effective now as it once was. The athleticism on the defensive side of the ball has gotten silly in recent years. Guys are are quicker and faster across the board, and even defensive linemen are better able to make plays sideline to sideline. Forget P5. Most teams on the FCS level that run the option see success in the regular season because they're mainly facing lower-end defenses who haven't seen an option attack all season and make mistakes trying to defend it. But once the playoffs hit, and those low-end defenses fall by the wayside, you're up against athletic, disciplined teams who understand how to play assignment ball up front, with defensive backs more than capable of playing man-to-man to guard against those "Danny Lee" surprises. And while stronger option teams can make a deep run, they hardly ever make it all the way to Frisco anymore. I think the world of Paul Johnson as a coach. If we hired him, we'd be consistent Quarterfinalists. I'm almost positive. But I don't know that we'd ever get over that hump and win the NC. What is our "brand of football" these days under Grass? Bubble screen for a yard and a half. Incomplete over the middle pass or out route. Get blown up on a jet sweep for a loss. Two false starts. Punt.
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Post by pubdaze on Sept 9, 2021 10:51:29 GMT -6
What is our "brand of football" these days under Grass? Bubble screen for a yard and a half. Incomplete over the middle pass or out route. Get blown up on a jet sweep for a loss. Two false starts. Punt. Sounds about right. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 11:53:59 GMT -6
And even with the glacial pace of our offense now, you can still see guys staring at the sideline until the ball is snapped like they have no idea what the play is. Even with all the signs and hats and signals.
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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 9, 2021 13:21:44 GMT -6
And even with the glacial pace of our offense now, you can still see guys staring at the sideline until the ball is snapped like they have no idea what the plat is. Even with all the signs and hats and signals. That's the part I don't get. But then, I'm not a coach. Just a frustrated fan.
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Post by beauregard on Sept 9, 2021 14:52:24 GMT -6
I've always referred to the T.O. as "God's offense" ... most of that goes back to the old "Hambone" attack run by Georgia Southern in the 80s under Erk Russell, with Tracy Ham at QB. The only thing that compares to it was Tommie Frazier at Nebraska. Just an incredible, unstoppable offensive force. The '92 Gamecock national championship team caught some of that magic. We'd always run the ball well under Burgess, but Danny Lee gave us that missing dimension of a downfield threat. Run left, run right, dive up the middle, left, right, dive, left, right, dive... Once the defense decides that's all you're going to do and commits to stacking the box, boom. Pass to a wide open Danny Lee for a touchdown. Then run it some more. I miss that brand of football. That said... I don't know that it's as effective now as it once was. The athleticism on the defensive side of the ball has gotten silly in recent years. Guys are are quicker and faster across the board, and even defensive linemen are better able to make plays sideline to sideline. Forget P5. Most teams on the FCS level that run the option see success in the regular season because they're mainly facing lower-end defenses who haven't seen an option attack all season and make mistakes trying to defend it. But once the playoffs hit, and those low-end defenses fall by the wayside, you're up against athletic, disciplined teams who understand how to play assignment ball up front, with defensive backs more than capable of playing man-to-man to guard against those "Danny Lee" surprises. And while stronger option teams can make a deep run, they hardly ever make it all the way to Frisco anymore. I think the world of Paul Johnson as a coach. If we hired him, we'd be consistent Quarterfinalists. I'm almost positive. But I don't know that we'd ever get over that hump and win the NC. Danny Lee could catch the ball as well!
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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 9, 2021 15:24:56 GMT -6
]The '92 Gamecock national championship team caught some of that magic. We'd always run the ball well under Burgess, but Danny Lee gave us that missing dimension of a downfield threat. Run left, run right, dive up the middle, left, right, dive, left, right, dive... Once the defense decides that's all you're going to do and commits to stacking the box, boom. Pass to a wide open Danny Lee for a touchdown. Danny Lee could catch the ball as well! Danny Lee was the single most explosive player I've ever seen in a Gamecock uniform. I mentioned how he gave us that downfield threat... it seemed like every time he caught the ball it went for a TD. I don't have the exact stats available, but that's not that far off. We didn't throw the ball much in those days, but when we did, it usually went to Danny, and he usually rewarded the effort with a trip to the end zone. He was also an incredible return man. Anyone know his 40 time? All I know for sure is, at any given time, he was the fastest player on the field, and it wasn't even close. One of my favorite all-time Gamecocks.
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Post by pubdaze on Sept 10, 2021 5:47:22 GMT -6
And even with the glacial pace of our offense now, you can still see guys staring at the sideline until the ball is snapped like they have no idea what the plat is. Even with all the signs and hats and signals. That's the part I don't get. But then, I'm not a coach. Just a frustrated fan. There’s a lot of those these days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2021 14:52:37 GMT -6
I don't think there's enough. The Facebook page is mostly rainbows and unicorns. Probably in line with the general public. JSU is just their backup team and these fine young men are just getting a fine education under the tutelage of the good deacon John Grass.
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