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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 14, 2021 9:06:42 GMT -6
When I was in grad school here at the ol’ alma mater, I shared some classes with some individuals who were in the school counseling program. I seriously wondered how they had been admitted and would have bet a mortgage payment that they could not pass the comprehensive exam that was required for graduation. Edit for clarification: Not all, just a few. When I was in school the dumbest people were education majors. They had to create their own graduate level course in community agency counseling for the dsm4r class. Because education majors couldn't pass the required Psychology course. When I changed my major to biology, the professor I spoke to asked me what my career plans were. I told him I wanted to become a high school biology teacher. His reply: "OK, then. If you want the easiest path to a degree, you can major in education with a concentration in biology. But if you actually want to learn something, major in biology and get your education certification in grad school." I eventually took three undergrad EDU courses in my time at JSU, and I have to admit... he was right.
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Post by 315logan on Sept 14, 2021 10:37:59 GMT -6
When I was in grad school here at the ol’ alma mater, I shared some classes with some individuals who were in the school counseling program. I seriously wondered how they had been admitted and would have bet a mortgage payment that they could not pass the comprehensive exam that was required for graduation. Edit for clarification: Not all, just a few. When I was in school the dumbest people were education majors. They had to create their own graduate level course in community agency counseling for the dsm4r class. Because education majors couldn't pass the required Psychology course. Don't know when you were there but my experience from '71 to '75 was not that. I have a B.S. in Music Ed. I had to have a 2.5 GPA to be accepted into the School of Education after my core curriculum. Plus all Music Majors were required to be Music Minors as well. If you wanted a minor in anything other than music it meant you had a double minor. My psychology was taught in the psychology department and there were separate education psychology classes required too.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 14, 2021 18:59:00 GMT -6
When I was in school the dumbest people were education majors. They had to create their own graduate level course in community agency counseling for the dsm4r class. Because education majors couldn't pass the required Psychology course. Don't know when you were there but my experience from '71 to '75 was not that. I have a B.S. in Music Ed. I had to have a 2.5 GPA to be accepted into the School of Education after my core curriculum. Plus all Music Majors were required to be Music Minors as well. If you wanted a minor in anything other than music it meant you had a double minor. My psychology was taught in the psychology department and there were separate education psychology classes required too. Grad school was 95. Also I would imagine music is a completely different animal than community agency counseling. There are two paths to pursue in counseling a PhD in psychology allows you to practice or a Ms in education community agency counseling. Basically people who studied education, seemingly mostly early childhood, could take two years of courses to then counsel people on their mental health. This should not be.
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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 14, 2021 19:10:55 GMT -6
Don't know when you were there but my experience from '71 to '75 was not that. I have a B.S. in Music Ed. I had to have a 2.5 GPA to be accepted into the School of Education after my core curriculum. Plus all Music Majors were required to be Music Minors as well. If you wanted a minor in anything other than music it meant you had a double minor. My psychology was taught in the psychology department and there were separate education psychology classes required too. Grad school was 95. Also I would imagine music is a completely different animal than community agency counseling. There are two paths to pursue in counseling a PhD in psychology allows you to practice or a Ms in education community agency counseling. Basically people who studied education, seemingly mostly early childhood, could take two years of courses to then counsel people on their mental health. This should not be. This. Music ed is a *completely* different animal. (I was a music ed major once too, hence my three EDU courses... I was a lot of things...) But outside the arts, education undergrad degrees are a joke... especially secondary ed.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 14, 2021 19:13:25 GMT -6
I must add I have two sisters with early childhood education degrees.
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Post by 315logan on Sept 15, 2021 9:34:23 GMT -6
Grad school was 95. Also I would imagine music is a completely different animal than community agency counseling. There are two paths to pursue in counseling a PhD in psychology allows you to practice or a Ms in education community agency counseling. Basically people who studied education, seemingly mostly early childhood, could take two years of courses to then counsel people on their mental health. This should not be. This. Music ed is a *completely* different animal. (I was a music ed major once too, hence my three EDU courses... I was a lot of things...) But outside the arts, education undergrad degrees are a joke... especially secondary ed. Sorry if I obscured my point. I was just saying they didn't make a a special course for us. We had to pass the psychology course that was given. Though as Music Ed majors it wasn't for counseling.
Regarding this: " ...could take two years of courses to then counsel people on their mental health. This should not be."
I completely agree. I never understood why people in Education seemed to think a quickie course on anything made them qualified to do it. There were many times in my career when a two or three day seminar on something was deemed enough to make us able to "OK, go back tomorrow and do this in your class" when the This was not in my (or my peers) curriculum or field.
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Post by Dixon Hall on Sept 15, 2021 10:30:13 GMT -6
I agree. I am a Community Agency Counseling grad and it was a perfect course of study for me given that I already had a psychology degree (also from JSU) and several years of experience in human services. Someone coming into the field cold needs far more training.
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Post by jsu02 on Sept 15, 2021 11:53:30 GMT -6
Don't know when you were there but my experience from '71 to '75 was not that. I have a B.S. in Music Ed. I had to have a 2.5 GPA to be accepted into the School of Education after my core curriculum. Plus all Music Majors were required to be Music Minors as well. If you wanted a minor in anything other than music it meant you had a double minor. My psychology was taught in the psychology department and there were separate education psychology classes required too. Grad school was 95. Also I would imagine music is a completely different animal than community agency counseling. There are two paths to pursue in counseling a PhD in psychology allows you to practice or a Ms in education community agency counseling. Basically people who studied education, seemingly mostly early childhood, could take two years of courses to then counsel people on their mental health. This should not be. 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
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