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Post by JSUSoutherner on Mar 5, 2022 7:56:39 GMT -6
I suspect our next add will be a western team so nice divisions can be made. My vote is for SFA.
That would give us JSU, WKU, MTSU, Liberty, and FIU in the East and SFA, SHSU, NMSU, UTEP, and LTU in the west.
For an extra two teams to get to 12 I'd vote for Chattanooga and trying extra hard for Missouri State. If we could get UTC I think it could sway MoSt as CUSA would be a favorable option in basketball.
That conference in basketball would be absolutely loaded.
The CUSA will live or die based on it's basketball success.
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Post by stevo on Mar 5, 2022 12:07:55 GMT -6
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Post by Whup Em All on Mar 7, 2022 9:55:46 GMT -6
THE CANDIDATES, ranked by Basketball NET Ranking (as of March 7, 2022):
61 Chatty - Historical rival of JSU and MTSU; Excellent location near JSU, MTSU, and WKU; Long history of solid but mediocre football; No baseball; Would rather be in the Sun Belt with their old SoCon buddies App and GaSo, even though the Belt is awful in hoops; The SoCon just passed an obscenely huge $2M exit fee; definitely worth a call, but don't get your hopes up.
68 MOST - Their fans don't want CUSA. They're not close to anyone geographically. Culturally, they're more midwestern than Southern (or Texan); historically bad (but improving) football.
112 SFA - Historical rival of SHSU; history with JSU (though not a rival); excellent location near SHSU and La Tech; solid (if mediocre) football; hasn't openly stated a desire to move up.
214 Tarleton - Still transitioning from D-II; Located in central Texas, between UTEP and SHSU... not at all close to anyone; Lots of money and resources in an area experiencing skyrocketing growth; They desperately want FBS.
223 Kennesaw - Recent but strong rival of JSU; Great location near JSU and MTSU in the ATL market; lots of resources and potential resources in an area experiencing skyrocketing growth; Solid (T.O.-based) football; They want to move up, but their facilities are still way behind.
268 EKU - Historical rival of WKU; solid but distant rivalry with JSU; good location in eastern half of footprint, but not really close to anyone; competitive but not dominant football for last ~20 years; They want FBS.
316 McNeese - Excellent location, near La Tech and SHSU; great fan base; historically good football but has been down for several years; They've openly stated a desire to move up, but their resources are currently going to rebuilding efforts after multiple hurricane impacts in 2021.
NOTE: Going to 10 teams "for divisions" doesn't really help anyone, since a 10-team conference would still have to play a round-robin format to have enough games. Divisions don't help travel until you're at the 12 team mark.
Also, CUSA is already slightly east-heavy; if a plan were put in place that favored divisional play for travel reasons, adding another eastern team could cause JSU to be pushed to the West, which wouldn't be ideal. To best benefit JSU under a 12-team format, CUSA would need two West teams and one East. This would of course change if one or more current CUSA teams leave the conference.
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Post by troysux on Mar 7, 2022 11:51:01 GMT -6
Since it is pretty much impossible to get a travel partner for FIU, they could go west in a ten member conference if we add Chattanooga or Kennesaw.
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Post by Whup Em All on Mar 7, 2022 14:04:59 GMT -6
Since it is pretty much impossible to get a travel partner for FIU, they could go west in a ten member conference if we add Chattanooga or Kennesaw. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I suggested that months ago on the CSNBB forum. It was immediately shot down by everyone. Apparently, the eastern teams (including WKU and MTSU) like the trips down to Miami for recruiting. The western teams just want a closer opponent. They don't care if they have to fly to that one too. There's apparently a disconnect or something which makes flying to Missouri more palatable than flying to Miami. That said, more than one CSNBB poster has appeared to indicate they believe Missouri State would be an "eastern" team. You can't fix stupid... As for FIU and what they want... no one knows, since they don't appear to have any fans. I still say FIU should just drop football, move to the ASUN where they'll have friends, and focus on being a national championship program in soccer. If you know that university's demographics, you know that this isn't a crazy wild arse suggestion. If nearly three-quarters of the JSU student body was Hispanic, Latino, and Asian, I'd advocate it for the Gamecocks as well. It makes perfect sense, which is why it will never come to pass. If FIU did move on, it would allow the East to shore itself up with a team actually located in the Deep South, rather than a stone's throw away from the Equator. That'd have a great impact on the perceived suckiness of travel in CUSA, and open the door for some teams that'd give JSU another conference rival.
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Post by troysux on Mar 7, 2022 17:20:26 GMT -6
If we go to ten teams, you would still play at least eight of your nine conference rivals so you’d still be going to Miami pretty much every other year.
If they add Chattanooga, MoSt and SFA, FIU would stay in the East.
But it would be a benefit if FIU left. But I doubt they drop football.
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Post by stevo on Mar 7, 2022 17:39:19 GMT -6
THE CANDIDATES, ranked by Basketball NET Ranking (as of March 7, 2022): 61 Chatty - Historical rival of JSU and MTSU; Excellent location near JSU, MTSU, and WKU; Long history of solid but mediocre football; No baseball; Would rather be in the Sun Belt with their old SoCon buddies App and GaSo, even though the Belt is awful in hoops; The SoCon just passed an obscenely huge $2M exit fee; definitely worth a call, but don't get your hopes up. 68 MOST - Their fans don't want CUSA. They're not close to anyone geographically. Culturally, they're more midwestern than Southern (or Texan); historically bad (but improving) football. 112 SFA - Historical rival of SHSU; history with JSU (though not a rival); excellent location near SHSU and La Tech; solid (if mediocre) football; hasn't openly stated a desire to move up. 214 Tarleton - Still transitioning from D-II; Located in central Texas, between UTEP and SHSU... not at all close to anyone; Lots of money and resources in an area experiencing skyrocketing growth; They desperately want FBS. 223 Kennesaw - Recent but strong rival of JSU; Great location near JSU and MTSU in the ATL market; lots of resources and potential resources in an area experiencing skyrocketing growth; Solid (T.O.-based) football; They want to move up, but their facilities are still way behind. 268 EKU - Historical rival of WKU; solid but distant rivalry with JSU; good location in eastern half of footprint, but not really close to anyone; competitive but not dominant football for last ~20 years; They want FBS. 316 McNeese - Excellent location, near La Tech and SHSU; great fan base; historically good football but has been down for several years; They've openly stated a desire to move up, but their resources are currently going to rebuilding efforts after multiple hurricane impacts in 2021. NOTE: Going to 10 teams "for divisions" doesn't really help anyone, since a 10-team conference would still have to play a round-robin format to have enough games. Divisions don't help travel until you're at the 12 team mark. Also, CUSA is already slightly east-heavy; if a plan were put in place that favored divisional play for travel reasons, adding another eastern team could cause JSU to be pushed to the West, which wouldn't be ideal. To best benefit JSU under a 12-team format, CUSA would need two West teams and one East. This would of course change if one or more current CUSA teams leave the conference. FYI---UTC is on ESPN at 6:00 in their conference championship game.
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Post by stevo on Apr 21, 2022 7:48:32 GMT -6
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Post by gemofthehills on Apr 21, 2022 8:15:25 GMT -6
Recap?
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Post by ld on Apr 21, 2022 10:15:56 GMT -6
Also, if you use T-Mobile for cellular, you get a free subscription.
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Post by stevo on Apr 26, 2022 8:01:31 GMT -6
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Post by leeroy on Apr 26, 2022 8:59:53 GMT -6
Just like everything else in life, the grass ain't always greener on the other side.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 26, 2022 10:19:09 GMT -6
When it first started, I tried tracking guys who entered the Portal (not just that they entered, but where they wound up) but it's much harder than it sounds. I mean, sure, you have your Trae Barrys who sign with a higher profile team, and one or two who tweet about their new school, but fully half (if not more) of the guys who leave JSU for the Portal are never heard from again.
It's not unlike players who are announced on signing day who never show up to Fall Camp. Sometimes you can trace a guy to JUCO, or, rarely, to another NCAA school. But some of them just fall off the face of the earth.
There was one RB a few years ago who was a 3-star signee. He had an active twitter all through the recruiting process. Signed with JSU. Didn't show up on the fall roster. His last ever tweet was something like, "Blessed to sign with JSUGamecockFB."
Honestly, I think he may have been kidnapped by aliens. Don't quote me on that, though.
Back to The Portal... I do believe it's aptly named. It's like a Portal to a dark dimension. The Upside Down. Some players exit to a brighter future. Some find their way back to their original school. And some? They exit the Portal at the event horizon of a supermassive black hole, never to be seen or heard from again. Their own friends and family forget they ever even existed. Their NSD bio is their epitaph.
College athletics is a scary, scary place.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Apr 26, 2022 10:38:15 GMT -6
So do some actually end up out of football altogether?
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 26, 2022 12:32:28 GMT -6
So do some actually end up out of football altogether? Definitely. Don't know all the individual circumstances, I have heard of players (not from JSU) who were contributors on their original teams, and who apparently developed an inflated sense of their own value. They ignored all the lower tier offers that came their way, waiting for that life-changing SEC offer which as going to let them prove themselves to the world. Once they realized the SEC offer wasn't coming, they'd burned bridges with those lower tier schools, and the window to return to their original school had closed. It's a tough lesson. In fairness, though, it doesn't just happen in athletics. It's part of life, and for those who choose to do so, part of growing up.
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