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Apr 1, 2022 19:27:54 GMT -6
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Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 1, 2022 19:27:54 GMT -6
I agree. The problem now is that practically everyone has a nice stadium. We definitely had to improve the stadium to stay competitive, but that’s all it did. It didn’t give us an advantage. Baseball is a tough game to get the best players. The best players go pro, the 2nd best go to SEC or similar. We need to get some out of that group. The good news is that it’s not like football. You only need a few of those types of players to make a difference. The bolded text above is our biggest issue. Case has managed to sign some extremely talented players... but then they get drafted and don't wind up playing for the Gamecocks. This happens to everyone (including the SEC) but for some reason, Case hasn't been able to land -- and enroll -- as many talented players as our peers. Does his recruiting budget need to be increased? Does he need a (new?) recruiting coordinator? What are schools like troy state (#43 RPI), USA (#45), Ga Southern (#20), Ga State (#96), MTSU (#65), and even Mercer (#26) doing that JSU (#106) is not? We can't blame facilities anymore. This is all I am saying. If Chase can get it done then he should get it done. We need to identify what the issues are holding us back and fix them, but accepting our current level of success as being our ceiling is certainly not the answer. I don’t expect a CWS birth every year, but a 40 win season on occasion and beating rivals is a fair expectation for a program with our history. 30% of our roster are transfers. Is that normal in baseball? I honestly don’t know.
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Apr 1, 2022 19:55:58 GMT -6
Post by brother on Apr 1, 2022 19:55:58 GMT -6
The bolded text above is our biggest issue. Case has managed to sign some extremely talented players... but then they get drafted and don't wind up playing for the Gamecocks. This happens to everyone (including the SEC) but for some reason, Case hasn't been able to land -- and enroll -- as many talented players as our peers. Does his recruiting budget need to be increased? Does he need a (new?) recruiting coordinator? What are schools like troy state (#43 RPI), USA (#45), Ga Southern (#20), Ga State (#96), MTSU (#65), and even Mercer (#26) doing that JSU (#106) is not? We can't blame facilities anymore. This is all I am saying. If Chase can get it done then he should get it done. We need to identify what the issues are holding us back and fix them, but accepting our current level of success as being our ceiling is certainly not the answer. I don’t expect a CWS birth every year, but a 40 win season on occasion and beating rivals is a fair expectation for a program with our history. 30% of our roster are transfers. Is that normal in baseball? I honestly don’t know.Seems like that much or more is normal for every sport now. LSU just had their entire basketball team enter the transfer portal.
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Apr 1, 2022 20:13:15 GMT -6
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Apr 1, 2022 20:13:15 GMT -6
This is all I am saying. If Chase can get it done then he should get it done. We need to identify what the issues are holding us back and fix them, but accepting our current level of success as being our ceiling is certainly not the answer. I don’t expect a CWS birth every year, but a 40 win season on occasion and beating rivals is a fair expectation for a program with our history. 30% of our roster are transfers. Is that normal in baseball? I honestly don’t know.Seems like that much or more is normal for every sport now. LSU just had their entire basketball team enter the transfer portal. So did Murray State.
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Post by troysux on Apr 2, 2022 8:21:03 GMT -6
A quick look at the website shows that we have 2 paid assistants and a volunteer assistant. No mention of any recruiting coordinators. Looking at some SEC staffs, they tend to have the same number of assistants but have more people for support staff. Trainers, Directors of Operations, etc. I don’t know who spearheads recruiting for us. One of our assistants has been a recruiting coordinator for a couple of junior colleges (they have recruiting coordinators??), so maybe he leads the effort. Case does not strike me as a dynamic recruiter. I think he would be good for helping to close the deal and impress the parents, but he is like watching paint dry. I don’t blame him. I would hate to run around like a idiot sucking up to teenagers on social media, but someone has to do that. A juco probably doesn’t hire a recruiting coordinator like Texas would. But I could see the head coach telling the pitching coach he was in charge of recruiting. Having seen him in public a couple times, Ray Harper doesn’t strike me as Mr. Personality.
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Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 2, 2022 12:04:05 GMT -6
A quick look at the website shows that we have 2 paid assistants and a volunteer assistant. No mention of any recruiting coordinators. Looking at some SEC staffs, they tend to have the same number of assistants but have more people for support staff. Trainers, Directors of Operations, etc. I don’t know who spearheads recruiting for us. One of our assistants has been a recruiting coordinator for a couple of junior colleges (they have recruiting coordinators??), so maybe he leads the effort. Case does not strike me as a dynamic recruiter. I think he would be good for helping to close the deal and impress the parents, but he is like watching paint dry. I don’t blame him. I would hate to run around like a idiot sucking up to teenagers on social media, but someone has to do that. A juco probably doesn’t hire a recruiting coordinator like Texas would. But I could see the head coach telling the pitching coach he was in charge of recruiting. Having seen him in public a couple times, Ray Harper doesn’t strike me as Mr. Personality. There are different types of basketball coaches. Harper falls into "The science guy" category. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are some all-time greats that fall into that category. They DO need recruiters though.
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Apr 5, 2022 8:19:18 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 8:19:18 GMT -6
The bolded text above is our biggest issue. Case has managed to sign some extremely talented players... but then they get drafted and don't wind up playing for the Gamecocks. This happens to everyone (including the SEC) but for some reason, Case hasn't been able to land -- and enroll -- as many talented players as our peers. Does his recruiting budget need to be increased? Does he need a (new?) recruiting coordinator? What are schools like troy state (#43 RPI), USA (#45), Ga Southern (#20), Ga State (#96), MTSU (#65), and even Mercer (#26) doing that JSU (#106) is not? We can't blame facilities anymore. This is all I am saying. If Chase can get it done then he should get it done. We need to identify what the issues are holding us back and fix them, but accepting our current level of success as being our ceiling is certainly not the answer. I don’t expect a CWS birth every year, but a 40 win season on occasion and beating rivals is a fair expectation for a program with our history. 30% of our roster are transfers. Is that normal in baseball? I honestly don’t know. Auburn has three guys on their roster that were just at Samford. Guys with any kind of talent are going to want to play at the highest level now and it's going to be possible. Just need to keep replacing guys so your program isn't crippled.
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Apr 5, 2022 8:48:58 GMT -6
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Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 5, 2022 8:48:58 GMT -6
This is all I am saying. If Chase can get it done then he should get it done. We need to identify what the issues are holding us back and fix them, but accepting our current level of success as being our ceiling is certainly not the answer. I don’t expect a CWS birth every year, but a 40 win season on occasion and beating rivals is a fair expectation for a program with our history. 30% of our roster are transfers. Is that normal in baseball? I honestly don’t know. Auburn has three guys on their roster that were just at Samford. Guys with any kind of talent are going to want to play at the highest level now and it's going to be possible. Just need to keep replacing guys so your program isn't crippled. In basketball there are mid-major powers… schools like Gonzaga, Butler, Villanova and even Wichita and VCU fall into this category. I have always felt that we could be that in Baseball. I’m probably deluded… or just too big of a homer. I remember the D2 natty’s and ending Alabama’s home win streak. I believe in us and what we are capable of in baseball.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 5, 2022 9:07:05 GMT -6
Auburn has three guys on their roster that were just at Samford. Guys with any kind of talent are going to want to play at the highest level now and it's going to be possible. Just need to keep replacing guys so your program isn't crippled. In basketball there are mid-major powers… schools like Gonzaga, Butler, Villanova and even Wichita and VCU fall into this category. I have always felt that we could be that in Baseball. I’m probably deluded… or just too big of a homer. I remember the D2 natty’s and ending Alabama’s home win streak. I believe in us and what we are capable of in baseball. That's my biggest issue/source of confusion with our current baseball situation. It's not that we suck -- we don't. We're currently ranked #139 out of 301 D-I programs. That's mediocre at worst, and it's enough to have a winning season most years. And if our peer programs in Alabama and Georgia were all in that same general area, I wouldn't feel too bad about it. I mean, if the "good" teams in the OVC, ASUN, CUSA, SoCon, and SBC were consistently ranked in the 80s and 90s, it'd mean we're just out of that bubble, and on a really good year, we'd make the cut. I could live with that. But here's where the top teams in each of those conferences currently fall: OVC: SEMO (#47), Belmont (#73) ASUN: Kennesaw (#13), Liberty (#52), JU (#58), FGCU (#61) CUSA (2022): Southern Miss (#26), La Tech (#30), UTSA (#55) SoCon: Mercer (#27), Wofford (#35) SBC (2022): Ga Southern (#19), Texas St (#36), Coastal (#38; 2016 Nat'l Champs), LaLa (#49), USA (#62), Ga St (#63), troy state (#70) Am I wrong to believe JSU shouldn't be competing on the same level as these schools?? I mean, jeez... if we were in the Belt, we'd be no better than 10th place right now. That's awful.
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Apr 5, 2022 10:07:06 GMT -6
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Post by toooldtocare on Apr 5, 2022 10:07:06 GMT -6
My sons’ JUCO and D2 teams had better starting pitching than JSU the last 2 years. Don’t even get me started about the middle of the batting lineup hitting well below .200. I’m just not sure why we’ve been punching below out weight class but it is concerning. Leadership? Talent? Development? There are 3 bad teams and 2 good teams in our division. JSU is stuck in the middle. I hope we can improve in time for the tournament.
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Apr 5, 2022 12:25:07 GMT -6
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Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 5, 2022 12:25:07 GMT -6
In basketball there are mid-major powers… schools like Gonzaga, Butler, Villanova and even Wichita and VCU fall into this category. I have always felt that we could be that in Baseball. I’m probably deluded… or just too big of a homer. I remember the D2 natty’s and ending Alabama’s home win streak. I believe in us and what we are capable of in baseball. That's my biggest issue/source of confusion with our current baseball situation. It's not that we suck -- we don't. We're currently ranked #139 out of 301 D-I programs. That's mediocre at worst, and it's enough to have a winning season most years. And if our peer programs in Alabama and Georgia were all in that same general area, I wouldn't feel too bad about it. I mean, if the "good" teams in the OVC, ASUN, CUSA, SoCon, and SBC were consistently ranked in the 80s and 90s, it'd mean we're just out of that bubble, and on a really good year, we'd make the cut. I could live with that. But here's where the top teams in each of those conferences currently fall: OVC: SEMO (#47), Belmont (#73) ASUN: Kennesaw (#13), Liberty (#52), JU (#58), FGCU (#61) CUSA (2022): Southern Miss (#26), La Tech (#30), UTSA (#55) SoCon: Mercer (#27), Wofford (#35) SBC (2022): Ga Southern (#19), Texas St (#36), Coastal (#38; 2016 Nat'l Champs), LaLa (#49), USA (#62), Ga St (#63), troy state (#70) Am I wrong to believe JSU shouldn't be competing on the same level as these schools?? I mean, jeez... if we were in the Belt, we'd be no better than 10th place right now. That's awful. Careful… you’re walking a dangerous line close to criticizing Case. Some people don’t like that. He is the greatest and deserves to stay as long as he wants because he led us to 3 conference titles in 15 years in a bad conference…and we should have kept Crowe too, I guess…
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Apr 5, 2022 12:57:49 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 12:57:49 GMT -6
We have better facilities than we have a team. I was at the UAB/UA game at Regions and overheard some guys talk about how our facilities were way better than UAB's. We should have the program to go along with the stadium.
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Apr 5, 2022 13:32:31 GMT -6
Post by Whup Em All on Apr 5, 2022 13:32:31 GMT -6
Careful… you’re walking a dangerous line close to criticizing Case. Some people don’t like that. He is the greatest and deserves to stay as long as he wants because he led us to 3 conference titles in 15 years in a bad conference…and we should have kept Crowe too, I guess… That's the thing... I like Case. I'm not calling for his firing or anything like that... but if we grant him the facilities excuse, then his W-L record needs to improve soon. The first game in the renovated stadium was in 2019. That means next spring's senior class and all classes below them have known nothing but the renovated stadium. I'm not sure how many guys redshirt in baseball compared to other sports, but if we give them one more season beyond that, then by spring 2024, no players on the team, including redshirt seniors, will have been around pre-renovation. The current facility is as good or better than Kennesaw's and Mercer's, so if there's some other good reason why we can't compete with the likes of them, we need to find a remedy.
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Apr 12, 2022 8:10:43 GMT -6
Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 12, 2022 8:10:43 GMT -6
13-16 now, having been swept by EKU and lost 2 of 3 to 13-17 Central Arkansas. In fairness, UCA was 6-7 at home before we visited.
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Apr 12, 2022 8:43:43 GMT -6
Post by beauregard on Apr 12, 2022 8:43:43 GMT -6
13-16 now, having been swept by EKU and lost 2 of 3 to 13-17 Central Arkansas. In fairness, UCA was 6-7 at home before we visited. Tough Year!
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Post by onefansopinion on May 1, 2022 16:36:58 GMT -6
I apologize in advance for reporting the latest news that some of our “fans” don’t want to hear.
With today’s win against UNA, JSU Baseball completed the sweep of the weekend series. The Gamecocks are now 14-7 in conference play, are tied for first place in the Western Division, and tied for the overall lead in the ASUN.
Go Gamecocks!!!
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