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Post by brother on Apr 3, 2022 21:17:34 GMT -6
Perhaps everyone sitting in the seats aren’t fans that spend their free time online talking JSU perhaps most just like to go to a game on Saturday. We could adjust the prices in the same manner with 35 thousand seats. My guess is the more you charge the fewer the fans. I too would like to pay a little extra for more amenities comfort etc. but most aren’t of the same mindset. In truth I could sit at home in a recliner eating and drinking whatever I like and watch multiple games if I so choose. This is most fans so what is it that JSU will or can offer to entice these people out to the game? And will they pay extra for it? My guess is no. Some will but most won’t. There has to be a low end option for some of these fans. Let’s face it the lazy boy a 65in tv for 6 bucks a month beats the end zone seat every time. Me I liked my sideline seating on the 50 with a chair back and would pay extra if they’d just leave it there. But most of those sitting around me would not. Whatever the prices are, they will always be more than sitting at home and watching. So, why do people even bother to come to games? Why aren’t we playing in an empty stadium? Yes, it’s expensive to attend. Whether you are buying general admission or club level, you are choosing the level of experience that you are willing to pay for. I made every game for at least a 10 year period. I don’t do that anymore, but my reasons have more to do with other demands on my time more so than cost. I’m hopeful that in a few years, I will be retired and back to coming to every home game. I think most fans enjoy attending games for the same reasons I do. Being at the game is a total experience that can’t be replicated by staying at home. I live a little more than two hours away, so I attend because the northeast AL area is home, and there is nothing like the feeling of going home. A late in the fall game that has the color change and a little nip in the air is the absolute best. I go to see what changes are occurring on campus, to be in familiar surroundings and remember what it was like to be young and on my own for the first time, to hear the Southerners warming up hours before game time, to see the sights and sounds of my youth, to bump into old friends, to be close to the action and hear every hit, to sing the fight song, to see the ballerinas high kick again, to listen to the Voice on 92J interviewing the coach after the game, to get some bbq at Cooter Brown’s before heading home and planning for the next game.
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Post by gemofthehills on Apr 3, 2022 21:31:10 GMT -6
No, saying they are not a power 4 conference or a power conference. This is football.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Apr 3, 2022 21:42:31 GMT -6
Perhaps everyone sitting in the seats aren’t fans that spend their free time online talking JSU perhaps most just like to go to a game on Saturday. We could adjust the prices in the same manner with 35 thousand seats. My guess is the more you charge the fewer the fans. I too would like to pay a little extra for more amenities comfort etc. but most aren’t of the same mindset. In truth I could sit at home in a recliner eating and drinking whatever I like and watch multiple games if I so choose. This is most fans so what is it that JSU will or can offer to entice these people out to the game? And will they pay extra for it? My guess is no. Some will but most won’t. There has to be a low end option for some of these fans. Let’s face it the lazy boy a 65in tv for 6 bucks a month beats the end zone seat every time. Me I liked my sideline seating on the 50 with a chair back and would pay extra if they’d just leave it there. But most of those sitting around me would not. Whatever the prices are, they will always be more than sitting at home and watching. So, why do people even bother to come to games? Why aren’t we playing in an empty stadium? Yes, it’s expensive to attend. Whether you are buying general admission or club level, you are choosing the level of experience that you are willing to pay for. I made every game for at least a 10 year period. I don’t do that anymore, but my reasons have more to do with other demands on my time more so than cost. I’m hopeful that in a few years, I will be retired and back to coming to every home game. I think most fans enjoy attending games for the same reasons I do. Being at the game is a total experience that can’t be replicated by staying at home. I live a little more than two hours away, so I attend because the northeast AL area is home, and there is nothing like the feeling of going home. A late in the fall game that has the color change and a little nip in the air is the absolute best. I go to see what changes are occurring on campus, to be in familiar surroundings and remember what it was like to be young and on my own for the first time, to hear the Southerners warming up hours before game time, to see the sights and sounds of my youth, to bump into old friends, to be close to the action and hear every hit, to sing the fight song, to see the ballerinas high kick again, to listen to the Voice on 92J interviewing the coach after the game, to get some bbq at Cooter Brown’s before heading home and planning for the next game. I feel very much the same way. But I don’t think charging you and I more and more is the answer to anything. In the end you can make more with two thirds of a stadium than filling it up. But which is better for the long term success of a program.
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Post by gemofthehills on Apr 4, 2022 6:49:58 GMT -6
After eating many $10-$12 fast food hamburgers meals, a JSU football game is worth a minimum of $25.
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Post by stevo on Apr 4, 2022 9:08:25 GMT -6
No, saying they are not a power 4 conference or a power conference. This is football. I'm guessing this was a response to my question. If so, How is the future Big 12, with Baylor, Oklahoma State and Cincinnati not right up there with what the PAC 12 and ACC has produced over the last few years?
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Post by gemofthehills on Apr 4, 2022 9:47:21 GMT -6
ACC has some NCs? Dont believe you will be seeing any of those schools playing for a NCs anytime soon. Heck the P12 is barely hanging on to big boy status. USC better get their game level raised in a hurry.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 4, 2022 9:55:06 GMT -6
If we expanded the stadium to 30,000 seats and sold tickets in tiers of $25/$15/$5, we'd average about 15K fans. We certainly couldn't be accused of gouging anyone, but the perception among casual fans would be that JSU is a third-rate program. Given the choice between sitting at home and watching the game on TV (or doing something else) versus sitting in a half-empty stadium baking in the sun or freezing in the rain, most people are going to opt for comfort.
If we expanded the stadium to 30,000 seats and sold tickets in tiers of $100/$75/$50, we'd average about 6K fans, if that. Gouging would be the excuse everyone gave for not showing up. But the gameday experience would also factor in... since absolutely no one likes sitting in a stadium at 20% capacity. There's literally no one calling for this plan, of course. I'm just saying, raising prices alone won't create demand.
What JSU needs is to 1) create demand and 2) improve the perception among casual fans about JSU's standing in the college football world.
Is it realistic for the Gamecocks to be viewed (in football) on the same level as Bama, Auburn, UGA, etc.? Absolutely not. I mean, sure, there's a tiny hypothetical chance that a Gates/Bezos/Musk crazy gazillionaire comes out of our humble little school and funds everything at levels that'd make those programs jealous, and then maybe -- MAYBE -- we'd be viewed on the same level as a mid-tier SEC program. But we'd need to win championships at Saban levels to change people's minds about JSU being anything but a second-tier school.
So the best we can realistically hope for is being second rate. That's where UAB is now. They've hit their ceiling. They can win more, bring in bigger crowds, get a bit more press, but they'll never rise above Bama and Auburn in state.
troy state may be a notch or so behind UAB from a public perception standpoint, but they're nearing their ceiling as well. No matter how many SBC championships and bowl games they win, they'll never rise much higher than where they are now.
As for JSU? People still think we're a D-II school in Florida. We have a long, long way to go.
Drop the stadium capacity to 20K. This means we'll sell out more games than before. We've had multiple games in the 19.5K-22K range in the past decade, so sellouts aren't pie-in-the-sky dreams. It's something that could happen.
Raise the prices a bit at a time. I'm OK with $10 general admission seats -- I do think there's a place for "cheap seats" in sports, especially for young families. But seats near mid-field, and premium packages like Club Level need to be priced accordingly. What's the preferred rate? What people are willing to pay, and not a dime more or less.
But JSU will need to give people a reason to pay more. This means a continued focus on improving the gameday experience and, most importantly, winning. Do that, and people will come.
Once we find the right balance of capacity and ticket prices, we'll sell out (or come close) every game. This alone improves the gameday atmosphere. Packed stadiums rock, and it's a way better experience than watching alone at home. Will we turn people away at the gate? Probably, if they show up without a ticket and we have no more to sell. But most people would know to buy their seats in advance. (Or they'd quickly learn.)
As for visitors, each team gets an allotment of seats. How big that allotment is depends on the teams we host. Could be 500 seats. Could be 2,000. But those tickets would only be held up to a certain point before being released for general sale. This is how college football has pretty much always worked, in modern times at least.
So let's say we're playing Southern Miss. We give them an allotment of 2,000 seats, but they only manage to sell 1,000. That means a couple days or so before the game, 1,000 seats are released for general sale. Gamecock fans who wanted tickets but didn't reserve their seats fast enough the first go round get another crack. Once the seats are gone, they're gone.
People who sit in the stands on Saturday afternoons would be people who wanted to be there. People who made an effort (and in some cases the financial commitment) to reserve seats in advance.
If some casual local fan walks up to the gate thinking he's buying a ticket to watch a D-II program play, just because he's bored and the Tide's off today, then he's going to be shocked to see the ticket prices for sideline seats. And he's going to be shocked when he sees the "SOLD OUT" sign on the ticket window.
Good.
Maybe it'll flip some switch in his thick head that something good is happening in Jacksonville. Maybe next time he'll buy a ticket in advance. If JSU does its part on and off the field, he may even come to watch JSU play, even if the Tide's on TV. We'll still rank behind Bama in his mind. But we'll at least grab onto a bit of his heart.
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Post by leeroy on Apr 4, 2022 10:32:31 GMT -6
No, saying they are not a power 4 conference or a power conference. This is football. I'm guessing this was a response to my question. If so, How is the future Big 12, with Baylor, Oklahoma State and Cincinnati not right up there with what the PAC 12 and ACC has produced over the last few years? My personal definition of a P* conference is if a team goes undefeated and wins their conference championship, they are included in the playoff without any other dominos having to fall. Then, to me, that is a P* conference. Cincinnati needed a couple years of dominance plus some teams tripping up to be included. It's not foolproof, but if Vandy accomplished this feat, they'd be in regardless of past years performance (rightly so). Same with any Pac12 or ACC or Big12 team. The problem has been that those last 3 conferences I named haven't produced a dominant team recently. No undefeated champion from the SEC, Big12, ACC, Big16, or Pac12 has ever been excluded while undefeated champs from other conferences have. Western Michigan, UCFx2, Coastal Carolina, San Jose St, Cincinnati have all finished the year as undefeated conference champions and been excluded from the 4 team playoff in favor of 1 loss P* teams and Notre Dame.
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Post by gemofthehills on Apr 4, 2022 10:39:50 GMT -6
If JSU can only grow to the level of UAB, troy state, USA, GSU or the rest of the SBC, MAC, MWC or CUSA then the 21-22000 we are to end up with will be enough.
18 teams in G5 averaging over 22000 and 2 of those are leaving. 34% of the current teams, I doubt we will be in the top third attended universities.
Duke doesnt avg 22000 the only P5
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Post by stevo on Sept 10, 2022 21:44:59 GMT -6
I still have a hard time understanding the CUSA is worse than the SBC negative talk. I dont want to be in the SBC these teams are content with their place in college athletics. SBC=MAC of the south, we have lowered ourselves to the bottom with common bottom seekers and we are happy. Hope we never reach or seek to be in this type of group. I hope today made it more understandable.
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Post by stevo on Sept 10, 2022 21:46:58 GMT -6
There’s no real reason to answer Atlanta Trojans question. He is already aware of the superiority of the sun belt. Want to go to Gameday next week? Brett McMurphy @brett_McMurphy College GameDay headed to Boone, NC, for Troy at Appalachian State next week
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Post by jsumania on Sept 10, 2022 22:19:26 GMT -6
I still have a hard time understanding the CUSA is worse than the SBC negative talk. I dont want to be in the SBC these teams are content with their place in college athletics. SBC=MAC of the south, we have lowered ourselves to the bottom with common bottom seekers and we are happy. Hope we never reach or seek to be in this type of group. I hope today made it more understandable. No doubt about this.
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Post by gemofthehills on Sept 11, 2022 7:43:07 GMT -6
I still have a hard time understanding the CUSA is worse than the SBC negative talk. I dont want to be in the SBC these teams are content with their place in college athletics. SBC=MAC of the south, we have lowered ourselves to the bottom with common bottom seekers and we are happy. Hope we never reach or seek to be in this type of group. I hope today made it more understandable. One day is one day. Similar to the weather and climate debate.
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Post by jsualumnus on Sept 11, 2022 7:59:21 GMT -6
Southern Miss has never recovered from hiring Ellis Johnson. He performed the impossible in taking a 12 win team and turning it into a 12 loss team. I was working on visiting every OVC stadium. I think SEMO was the only one I missed. Don’t see myself getting to too many road games now. MTSU and WKU aren’t bad and Tech and Liberty are doable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Consider yourself lucky for never visiting SEMO. The stadium is a 1920’s concrete slab at best. The fans on the home side were very nice and complimentary of our program when we visited. The students on the visitor side were punks and disgusting. We saw King Gamecock there. He was BigFan back then!
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Post by gemofthehills on Sept 11, 2022 8:30:48 GMT -6
MAC is the one who had a tough day with two FCS losses. Only two FBS wins one a conference game the other UMASS.
MWC had the same kind of day two FCS losses only non conference wins were FCS.
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