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Post by leeroy on Apr 19, 2022 13:32:28 GMT -6
I look at it this way. I know we all like to think JSU was just loaded with talent, and we were to an extent for an FCS squad. Realistically, we've got 10 to 15 guys who could make a decent G5 FBS roster and compete in the 2 deep. I expect those guys to be given an opportunity to stay and compete for starting jobs.
But...A lot of the players we have were recruited to play for an FCS team because they would do well at the FCS level. It's not their fault that CUSA came calling. I'm going to assume RR was honest and up front with everyone about their chances of seeing the field in a game, and honestly, a good part of last year's team might not be at that level. That's ok.
It's not fair to expect someone to stay and run scout team their whole career if they can move on to an FCS team and play.
We need to get up to speed talent wise quickly, and that means transfers and freshman that will be expected to contribute immediately.
So, I think the right thing to do is be honest and let those guys who were having a hard time getting into that backup role last year move on to a team that fits their talent level.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 19, 2022 15:23:18 GMT -6
I look at it this way. I know we all like to think JSU was just loaded with talent, and we were to an extent for an FCS squad. Realistically, we've got 10 to 15 guys who could make a decent G5 FBS roster and compete in the 2 deep. I expect those guys to be given an opportunity to stay and compete for starting jobs. But...A lot of the players we have were recruited to play for an FCS team because they would do well at the FCS level. It's not their fault that CUSA came calling. I'm going to assume RR was honest and up front with everyone about their chances of seeing the field in a game, and honestly, a good part of last year's team might not be at that level. That's ok. It's not fair to expect someone to stay and run scout team their whole career if they can move on to an FCS team and play. We need to get up to speed talent wise quickly, and that means transfers and freshman that will be expected to contribute immediately. So, I think the right thing to do is be honest and let those guys who were having a hard time getting into that backup role last year move on to a team that fits their talent level. Exactly. Back when we first started playing P5 teams I remember talking to some fans of one team about our upcoming game. I want to say it was the first time we played Ga Tech, but I could be wrong. It was a ways back. Anyway, we had a couple of players in the NFL at that point, and several guys on offense and defense who had good shots of getting drafted or at least invited to an NFL camp. So I tried to make that point. The Tech fans dismissed me pretty quickly. They'd had something like 12 guys drafted and a couple dozen invited to camps in the last couple years. The best of our guys would've been average-to-slightly-above-average on that Tech team. And the talent fell off pretty quickly at many positions once you got outside the two-deep. I was sure we'd prove 'em wrong once the game started. Nope. They blew our doors off. G5 teams aren't quite to that level (and let's face it, Georgia Tech isn't exactly the crème de la crème of college football) but the average G5 team is on par with a legit Top 10 FCS program talent-wise, but usually with more depth. Teams at the top of G5 are as good or better than the NDSUs of the world. What was "good enough" for the OVC and ASUN is not going to cut it anymore. If we try to enter FBS with the same mindset, we're going to find ourselves re-living the transition from D-II to I-AA. And I, for one, don't want to go through that again.
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Post by gemofthehills on Apr 19, 2022 20:51:23 GMT -6
I’m not a fan of just running a bunch of people off and 35 is a lot of people. But this is a serious move up. We will be playing a full FCS schedule in 2023 and bowl eligible in 2024. I don't like it either, but I do understand it. We honestly have one shot to do this right. If we stumble out of the gate, we'll spend the next decade playing catch-up. We don't have to be CUSA champs in our first year... That's not at all what I'm saying. I mean, sure... If we can pull off a winning season in our first season of bowl eligibility, that'd be an incredible boost to the program. But even if we fall short of that mark, as long as we're close to .500, it will signal to recruits and fans alike that we're going to make it in FBS. If on the other hand we go 0-8 in the conference, that's a huge hill to climb. Fans will vanish. Top recruits will be turned away. Even if we right the ship after a few seasons, the perception will be there: we don't belong at this level. Moving up was a mistake. Yadda yadda. No pressure or anything, but we've got to win. And if a player can't help us get there, we need to give his scholarship to someone who can. We could be riding the ship with Ga Southern, UNCC, USA and few others.
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Post by gamecock48 on Apr 20, 2022 13:42:10 GMT -6
Matthew Caldwell out. He's gonna make somebody better.
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Post by Whup Em All on Apr 20, 2022 14:33:02 GMT -6
Matthew Caldwell out. He's gonna make somebody better. Man... I hope the new guys are as good as the recruiting services say. Caldwell was going to be great.
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Post by 315logan on Apr 20, 2022 21:12:11 GMT -6
Matthew Caldwell out. He's gonna make somebody better. Man... I hope the new guys are as good as the recruiting services say. Caldwell was going to be great. Damn!! I HATE to hear that he's gone.
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Post by stevo on Apr 26, 2022 10:29:10 GMT -6
A player’s Dad just told me 35 players weren’t renewed. This stuck with me the last 10 days. Please follow up on this if you would. Just my guess on this, is that a lot of these guys were just "cut". Hopefully they can get a college degree somewhere even if they have to go to Division 2 or even NAIA.
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Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 26, 2022 19:39:33 GMT -6
A player’s Dad just told me 35 players weren’t renewed. This stuck with me the last 10 days. Please follow up on this if you would. Just my guess on this, is that a lot of these guys were just "cut". Hopefully they can get a college degree somewhere even if they have to go to Division 2 or even NAIA. I used to think it was shameful for teams to cut players by not renewing their scholarship. With the transfer portal and NIL, I no longer have an issue with it. As I have said…if you want the benefit of being effectively a professional, then you have to take the drawbacks.
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Post by leeroy on Apr 26, 2022 21:13:25 GMT -6
This stuck with me the last 10 days. Please follow up on this if you would. Just my guess on this, is that a lot of these guys were just "cut". Hopefully they can get a college degree somewhere even if they have to go to Division 2 or even NAIA. I used to think it was shameful for teams to cut players by not renewing their scholarship. With the transfer portal and NIL, I no longer have an issue with it. As I have said…if you want the benefit of being effectively a professional, then you have to take the drawbacks. True, also for me it makes criticism in the media fair game. We won't see much of it here, but I think this opens the door even wider for some who were still reluctant on the P5 level to be critical of individuals due to "amateurism".
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Post by troysux on Apr 27, 2022 4:09:22 GMT -6
A player’s Dad just told me 35 players weren’t renewed. This stuck with me the last 10 days. Please follow up on this if you would. Just my guess on this, is that a lot of these guys were just "cut". Hopefully they can get a college degree somewhere even if they have to go to Division 2 or even NAIA. Or they could pay for it like normal people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by King_Gamecock on Apr 27, 2022 4:33:31 GMT -6
I used to think it was shameful for teams to cut players by not renewing their scholarship. With the transfer portal and NIL, I no longer have an issue with it. As I have said…if you want the benefit of being effectively a professional, then you have to take the drawbacks. True, also for me it makes criticism in the media fair game. We won't see much of it here, but I think this opens the door even wider for some who were still reluctant on the P5 level to be critical of individuals due to "amateurism". Another issue is, more talent will trickle down the the G5 level... It has always been the case that some players took longer to develop. Now, schools will be less patient. If you sign at a P5 school, you better be able to contribute in year 1 or 2 instead of 3/4/5... otherwise you will be at a G5 school in short order. Recruiting at the upper levels will also need to be more selective, as the turnover of higher level players will be more common, and could result in the 2nd and 3rd string players being a significant drop-off from the first string.
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Post by stevo on Aug 14, 2022 18:13:21 GMT -6
Matthew Caldwell out. He's gonna make somebody better. Do you have an update on him?
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Post by brother on Aug 14, 2022 20:43:40 GMT -6
Matthew Caldwell out. He's gonna make somebody better. Do you have an update on him? His twitter says he is at Gardner Webb.
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Post by King_Gamecock on Aug 15, 2022 4:16:54 GMT -6
Do you have an update on him? His twitter says he is at Gardner Webb. Not a lateral move, or a move up, from a football transfer situation. Gardner Webb is a good school... < 4,000 student private Christian college.
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Post by stevo on Aug 15, 2022 6:36:34 GMT -6
Any other updates?
When you compare the 2021 roster against the 2022 there are a LOT of changes.
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