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Post by Cleburneslim on Aug 23, 2022 5:57:49 GMT -6
First I have no knowledge of the incident other than what has been mentioned in this thread. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty so let the system do it job before convicting anyone. A similar incident happened at a local high school a few years back and the court came back with not guilty verdicts. Sodomy was claim in that case too, wasnt a pool cue but some other object which I cant remember. Hope the truth is discovered and dealt with appropriately. That’s a lovely sentiment but if you go into court with that idea in mind you’ll likely find yourself looking out instead of in.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Aug 23, 2022 6:08:21 GMT -6
First I have no knowledge of the incident other than what has been mentioned in this thread. In the USA you are innocent until proven guilty so let the system do it job before convicting anyone. A similar incident happened at a local high school a few years back and the court came back with not guilty verdicts. Sodomy was claim in that case too, wasnt a pool cue but some other object which I cant remember. Hope the truth is discovered and dealt with appropriately. Agree 100%. But we aren't we arent Court of Law. We are a University. This isn't a guy you keep around to wait and see if he's guilty. Let's pretend we keep him around, court day comes up, and he's guilty. At that point JSU will be answering questions of why this guy was allowed to remain on campus, and on scholarship no less. There is exactly nothing good that can come from this guy remaining on campus until this sh*t show is sorted out.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Aug 23, 2022 8:03:56 GMT -6
Game notes were just released and show Dawson as starting on Saturday.
Burn it all down.
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Post by Whup Em All on Aug 23, 2022 10:24:25 GMT -6
I don't suffer bullies and sexual assaulters lightly. If Jack Dawson is guilty of these accusations, cut him into bits and feed him to a hungry pack of Tasmanian devils. (They're like pigs, gators, and hyenas the way they can dispose of a body, bones and all. It's really quite amazing.)
But I digress.
Here's the problem I have with all this. Quoted from another forum since I don't feel like typing it again:
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Aug 23, 2022 10:27:47 GMT -6
I don't suffer bullies and sexual assaulters lightly. If Jack Dawson is guilty of these accusations, cut him into bits and feed him to a hungry pack of Tasmanian devils. (They're like pigs, gators, and hyenas the way they can dispose of a body, bones and all. It's really quite amazing.) But I digress. Here's the problem I have with all this. Quoted from another forum since I don't feel like typing it again: I found the full post. The problem i have is you are correct, it is on Troy. Right up until we continue to leave him on the team. I'd like to believe your thought, but there are three warrants out for the guy. Regardless of if the Troy PD followed through getting them into the DB, if it was totally baseless they never would have been issued in the first place. Either way, someone from JSU needs to start talking before this problem that should be Troy's and Troy's alone becomes our problem.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Aug 23, 2022 11:22:47 GMT -6
Rich Rod confirmed Dawson is still on the team and will play this weekend.
I sure as heck hope they know something we don't.
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Post by pubdaze on Aug 23, 2022 11:57:00 GMT -6
Rich Rod confirmed Dawson is still on the team and will play this weekend. I sure as heck hope they know something we don't. Cue the protestors.
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Post by leeroy on Aug 23, 2022 12:08:06 GMT -6
The warrants are misdemeanor warrants.
Since police did not observe the incidents, that means the victim would've had to swear out the warrants themselves with the magistrate in Troy. I'm guessing that's why they weren't given high priority.
I can swear under oath that JSUSoutherner slapped me in Cooter Browns yesterday and have a warrant made for his arrest. Doesn't mean that's what happened.
I said before, these allegations are rough. I'm not going to defend that kind of behavior. Just offering perspective.
Either way, we (JSU) should address it in some way publicly so it doesn't appear we are ignoring it.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Aug 23, 2022 12:13:07 GMT -6
The warrants are misdemeanor warrants. Since police did not observe the incidents, that means the victim would've had to swear out the warrants themselves with the magistrate in Troy. I'm guessing that's why they weren't given high priority. I can swear under oath that JSUSoutherner slapped me in Cooter Browns yesterday and have a warrant made for his arrest. Doesn't mean that's what happened. I said before, these allegations are rough. I'm not going to defend that kind of behavior. Just offering perspective. Either way, we (JSU) should address it in some way publicly so it doesn't appear we are ignoring it. But, if that wasn't you that I slapped yesterday then who the heck was it?!?
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Post by jsumania on Aug 24, 2022 8:05:30 GMT -6
I can't believe that Dawson hasn't been removed from the team.
Kid turned himself in to be arrested for sodomy/sexual abuse (with video evidence from Snapchat), he posted bond, and now he's playing Saturday? TERRIBLE LOOK.
Not a good look on JSU, not a good look on Rich Rod, not a good look on the president. I don't forsee good things coming if he remains on the team.
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Post by leeroy on Aug 24, 2022 8:24:52 GMT -6
I can't believe that Dawson hasn't been removed from the team. Kid turned himself in to be arrested for sodomy/sexual abuse (with video evidence from Snapchat), he posted bond, and now he's playing Saturday? TERRIBLE LOOK. Not a good look on JSU, not a good look on Rich Rod, not a good look on the president. I don't forsee good things coming if he remains on the team. First post...anonymous account... From the story: "The warrants, each for misdemeanor assault in the third degree..." So, you're wrong when you say he was arrested for sodomy/sexual abuse. I think it's reasonable to wonder why he's starting or even active with the team right now, but this kind of thing doesn't help anyone and is the definition of a defamatory statement. We HAVE to let this play out and not destroy someone's life over allegations that haven't been corroborated or proven. I don't know Jack Dawson, and he may very well be a terrible person and guilty of everything this guy says he did. Or he may not. I realize I'm probably shouting into the void and no one is paying me any attention or worse assuming I'm some kind of predator/bully apologist.
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Post by jsumania on Aug 24, 2022 8:39:55 GMT -6
I can't believe that Dawson hasn't been removed from the team. Kid turned himself in to be arrested for sodomy/sexual abuse (with video evidence from Snapchat), he posted bond, and now he's playing Saturday? TERRIBLE LOOK. Not a good look on JSU, not a good look on Rich Rod, not a good look on the president. I don't forsee good things coming if he remains on the team. First post...anonymous account... From the story: "The warrants, each for misdemeanor assault in the third degree..." So, you're wrong when you say he was arrested for sodomy/sexual abuse. I think it's reasonable to wonder why he's starting or even active with the team right now, but this kind of thing doesn't help anyone and is the definition of a defamatory statement. We HAVE to let this play out and not destroy someone's life over allegations that haven't been corroborated or proven. I don't know Jack Dawson, and he may very well be a terrible person and guilty of everything this guy says he did. Or he may not. I realize I'm probably shouting into the void and no one is paying me any attention or worse assuming I'm some kind of predator/bully apologist. Maybe because this story is concerning??? I don't want Saturday to get here, and then the next story be how "JSU let a punter accused of sexual abuse play football". Nobody needs this to spin some sort of way against JSU. Come on, it's as simple as that.
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Post by Whup Em All on Aug 24, 2022 13:05:29 GMT -6
First post...anonymous account... From the story: "The warrants, each for misdemeanor assault in the third degree..." So, you're wrong when you say he was arrested for sodomy/sexual abuse. I think it's reasonable to wonder why he's starting or even active with the team right now, but this kind of thing doesn't help anyone and is the definition of a defamatory statement. We HAVE to let this play out and not destroy someone's life over allegations that haven't been corroborated or proven. I don't know Jack Dawson, and he may very well be a terrible person and guilty of everything this guy says he did. Or he may not. I realize I'm probably shouting into the void and no one is paying me any attention or worse assuming I'm some kind of predator/bully apologist. Maybe because this story is concerning??? I don't want Saturday to get here, and then the next story be how "JSU let a punter accused of sexual abuse play football". Nobody needs this to spin some sort of way against JSU. Come on, it's as simple as that. The "sexual abuse" incident which has variously been described as "forced sodomy" was described by troy state coaches who viewed footage of the alleged incident as "horseplay". Haynes' own account of the incident doesn't make any freaking sense. He was allegedly lying on his stomach at the troy state fieldhouse watching a football game on his phone, when "suddenly he felt excruciating pain" ... which led to him experiencing "bleeding for five months" and "pain related to his injury to this day". OK, so do the math here. Unless he was lying in the middle of the fieldhouse buttass nekkid, how in the Sam Hill did "horseplay" result in such horrific long-term injury? So either the troy state coaches who viewed the footage literally watched one of their players forcibly sodomized... and did nothing about it in order to protect the eligibility of a freshman scout team punter who hadn't played a down of football and who'd have an all-SBC performer ahead of him on the depth chart for at least 2 more years... and none of the other coaches or players who witnessed or heard about this horrific incident said anything about it, even after both players were gone from the trojan program... ... ... ...or the "forced sodomy" and "sexual abuse" amounted to what has long been popularly known as a goosing. That is, Dawson walked up behind an unsuspecting (and fully clothed) Haynes, and poked him in the butt with the pool cue. And I'm sorry, guys, but goosing someone of the same sex is NOT sexual assault and is most certainly not forced sodomy. (Technically, it wouldn't even be either of these if you did it to a member of the opposite sex, but it would be terribly, terribly improper if she weren't your wife or girlfriend. Even then, expect repercussions, but not of the legal kind.) Goosing is the equivalent of popping someone with a rolled up towel. (Which, so we're clear here, is NOT assault and battery.) It's a quick, stupid prank which makes normal people laugh for a few seconds. It's been a staple of locker rooms and other manly places for decades if not centuries, because it's a quick, stupid prank which makes normal people laugh for a few seconds. I'm not defending bullying, because this act, in and of itself, is not bullying. Friends do it to friends all the damn time. That said, if Dawson bullied Haynes repeatedly for months leading up to this, as alleged, then yes, it's part of the bullying. And Dawson's an asshole for doing it. All of it. But it's still not sodomy for heaven's sake. THIS is why I've been so quick to defend JSU's (and to a lesser extent, troy state's) handling of this. Things that don't add up are often things that are either made up or blown way out of proportion. The media has taught me this well in the past 10-20 years. People are horrible liars. And, I think, to some extent, Haynes is lying. Because his story doesn't make a damn lick of sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 13:47:39 GMT -6
The police need to do a thorough investigation before any action is taken against Dawson. Not JSU, not Troy, not some student council.
I had a woman bruise her own arm and accuse me of pinning her against a wall and trying to molest her all because I let her know that the guy she was dating was seeing somebody else.
Don't believe anything you read on the internet. We're in the age of everything being in video.
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Post by jsumania on Aug 24, 2022 15:16:47 GMT -6
Fair assessment. I'd like to think that the story is being stretched into something it's not.
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