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Post by sprout203 on Jun 17, 2023 5:53:00 GMT -6
I noticed that Freshman All American pitcher Zielinski is not listed on the roster page and all links to him are not working. Is he in the portal?
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Post by ksig2014 on Jun 17, 2023 14:57:33 GMT -6
Would like to see us reshape our roster. Need to add some international talent as well as speed. Need more diversity
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 18, 2023 16:29:06 GMT -6
I noticed that Freshman All American pitcher Zielinski is not listed on the roster page and all links to him are not working. Is he in the portal? Zielinski has transferred to USA.
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Post by oldkappasig on Jun 18, 2023 17:01:42 GMT -6
Any idea if any of our pitching staff left on the team? Or did all transfer?
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Post by toooldtocare on Jun 18, 2023 20:52:40 GMT -6
I heard from Coach Case earlier this season that he feared programs like Jax State would turn into farm teams for the higher level programs.
Already one recruit has asked for full ride and $$ but elected to seek his fortune elsewhere.
I think the best path forward will be relying on Jr College transfers and poaching from lower level programs.
With prevalence of 1 and done, player development will be the primary driver of success.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Jun 19, 2023 3:00:51 GMT -6
There will be bleed over of this in every sport.
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Post by oldkappasig on Jun 19, 2023 4:32:08 GMT -6
Basketball recruiting is suffering also. No NIL money available other than football @ JSU. Got to start somewhere. JUCO players are asking the same question. Growing pains with move to CUSA. Hopefully it's temporary problem.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 19, 2023 5:32:33 GMT -6
What does someone have to gain from giving a player NIL money? I personally have no desire to give a college player any of my personal money. Our children are more likely to receive our funds and save some for grandchildren if we have any.
NIL in my opinion is for companies to pay for advertising work or appearances. Companies, which are successful rarely give money out to kids for playing sports with no anticipated return. I do understand some have different logics than me but just do not see me handing out any free money.
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Post by oldkappasig on Jun 19, 2023 6:18:47 GMT -6
What does someone have to gain from giving a player NIL money? I personally have no desire to give a college player any of my personal money. Our children are more likely to receive our funds and save some for grandchildren if we have any. NIL in my opinion is for companies to pay for advertising work or appearances. Companies, which are successful rarely give money out to kids for playing sports with no anticipated return. I do understand some have different logics than me but just do not see me handing out any free money. I tend to agree with you. I know just enough about NIL to be ignorant. What I fear is the people who will blame our coaches when they are expected to compete on an uneven playing field. It's easy to scream 'fire the coach' instead of looking honestly at the situation. I have no idea what constitutes a "Collective" or what control a university has over it. How the funds are distributed. Or who decides who gets what. I do know we're the only basketball team in CUSA with zero NIL. I'm almost certain baseball is the same. Add to that the transfer portal, where a player doesn't even have to inform their coaches they when they do enter, it's a double whammy. There are two "revenue producing" programs at JSU ..... football and men's basketball. That fact was stated at a Trustee meeting. Every other sport depends on them. (BTW, basketball was a revenue looser prior to Ray Harper.) Hopefully our powers that be have a plan. I would be shocked if they did not.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 19, 2023 6:42:04 GMT -6
Wish them all luck in collecting and collecting in the future. If Im giving it to the foundation and to be in a perpetual giving fund. Hope the NIL doesnt lower the receipts of foundations across the country. Foundations have given students, not athletes only, the ability to change their familys dynamics for generations.
Love to watch sports and want JSU to win but not too concerned it a student has drinking or iphone money. But on the other hand I do believe its their right to earn money from their "brand".
If the NCAA is real concerned about players then make all scholarships full rides or at least all get room and food. Shelter and food are more important than NIL money.
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Post by brother on Jun 19, 2023 8:22:54 GMT -6
What does someone have to gain from giving a player NIL money? I personally have no desire to give a college player any of my personal money. Our children are more likely to receive our funds and save some for grandchildren if we have any. NIL in my opinion is for companies to pay for advertising work or appearances. Companies, which are successful rarely give money out to kids for playing sports with no anticipated return. I do understand some have different logics than me but just do not see me handing out any free money. I believe everyone thought that NIL was going to be funded by corporations to use the athletes to promote their products. That is a very capitalism type of idea that most people would support. The free market would determine the value of each athlete and only the most marketable athletes would really be affected. That is not what is happening. It has become a recruiting tool with donors contributing to collectives that are just paying out money to everyone for little to no work required of the athlete. The situation screams for some regulation but I don't think that is going to happen. With G5 schools now paying out money for athletes, we will have to gather the funds somewhere if we are going to be competitive. NIL has become the number one reason most athletes consider when committing to a school. It is even worse on the P5 level where it is just an all out bidding war. I think athletes used to make their decisions based on many factors - proximity to home, life time rooting interests, national reputation of the team, reputation of the school's academics, social scene, coaching staff, etc. Now it is just how much money am I going to get. It's hard to blame the athlete though. It is no secret that a lot of the better athletes come from lower socio-economic levels. When you have grown up with so little, instant gratification is a major factor.
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Post by oldkappasig on Jun 19, 2023 8:37:11 GMT -6
Agree 100%. Keep in mind. We lost one basketball recruit to another CUSA school which is paying their scholarship basketball players $35K across the board. That is just one example.
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 19, 2023 10:39:59 GMT -6
The free market would determine the value of each athlete and only the most marketable athletes would really be affected. The problem with this is, it takes more than a "marketable" QB or star WR or EDGE to win. Teams need linemen on both sides of the ball, who, except at the absolute top of the scale (i.e., future Top 5 draft picks) operate in relative anonymity. And those guys aren't going to collect anything without some form of teamwide collective. The only exceptions might be those schools who have a "War Pigs" style nickname for a unit that might pull in some corporate interest. The same goes for individual jersey sales, etc. Your starting QB might sell thousands of dollars worth of his NIL gear, but unless you have the next Gronk on your team, your starting TE will only sell a fraction of that. And most coaches want a TE who can get the job done, whether he's Gronk or not. So schools which are able start collectives which in turn pay competitive "salaries" to every scholarship player, proven or not. The schools at the top of the food chain take it a step farther, and provide what amounts to signing bonuses, which can reach 6 or even 7 figures for prized recruits. This is the part that's gotten totally out of hand. I've seen proposed "fixes" which prevent underclassmen from getting such obscene payouts, but the problem is, even if this were passed, you'd still wind up with a glaring issue: an upperclassman who proves himself at an FCS or G5 school then enters the Portal and goes to the highest bidder. It solves nothing. The best thing the NCAA could've done -- and I'm afraid they totally missed the boat on this -- would've been to treat college athletes as employees, and then set a wage scale which all NCAA schools had to adopt. Since they fought this tooth and nail, we're stuck with the current situation, which is destroying what used to make college sports so great.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 19, 2023 15:22:09 GMT -6
I have no problem with anyone giving to whoever they want just do not expect much from me.
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Post by jsu1984 on Jun 19, 2023 17:10:03 GMT -6
Sadly Jax St does not have the NIL resources or alumni/ boosters willing to finance such endeavors. They just don’t. Going to be very difficult moving forward. It is all about money now in every aspect/ and Jax St simply comes up short.
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