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Post by redcocks on Jun 25, 2023 15:38:08 GMT -6
Next year we will be below 500 in winning percentage . We may win ten conference games and miss the tournament. No major upsets .
Year two much the same . I will accept y’all apologies and it’s going to be real sad seeing such a nice stadium be empty.
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 25, 2023 15:43:36 GMT -6
BTW, Missouri has the smallest baseball budget in the SEC. I'm not sure that they take the sport seriously. He probably over achieved there. Let’s hope that the case BUT the results ain’t good. We have already shown you that his “resources” were last in the league but you ignore that. Still confused why you continue ti blame Greg when you have said that Greg doesn’t make these decisions. I personally feel that we are lucky to have the quality of coaches that we have in all of our sports when you consider our own lack of resources. As far as being fired, you do realize that Rich Rod was fired twice at schools that have a lot of resources. Coaches fall into two categories, those that have been fired and those that will be fired. If the resource are so bad they would have settle for the the results they were getting . Instead of going out and getting the Memphis coach that only been there for drum roll please one year and buying out his contract . I mean seems like they wouldn’t be willing to do that . And he did not even make the ncaa tournament during his time . This is a bad hire but time will tell the story . I will give two years then I will be posting I told y’all so . No matter what happens I won’t call for his firing until year two . In 2016, Missouri's baseball team went 26-30 overall, and 9-20 in the SEC, which is widely recognized as the toughest baseball conference in America from top to bottom. The Tigers fired their coach and hired Coach Bieser for the 2017 season. In 2017, Bieser's first year on the job, Mizzou finished 35-21 overall, and 14-16 in the SEC. Their 9-game improvement was recognized as one of the top turnarounds in the country. He had the team trending up every year until COVID came along and wrecked everything. When things got rolling again, he was starting from scratch, and the record shows it. 2021 was his worst season by far, and was the ONLY SEASON AT MISSOURI IN WHICH HE DID NOT FINISH ABOVE .500. In 2022, the Tigers rebounded to a 28-23 finish. In 2023, they improved even more to 30-24. And when the Tigers were eliminated in the SEC tournament by Auburn (which finished with an RPI of 30, higher than every single CUSA school except DBU) Bieser was fired. mizzouman has gone into much more detail here. I'm just scratching the surface. Incidentally, Missouri finished this past season with an RPI of 45, which was ALSO higher than every single CUSA school except DBU. Just for kicks, here's how Bieser's final Missouri team stacks up against teams in the new CUSA, as well as a couple of other opponents of interest. Missouri plays in the SEC East, so those teams are highlighted in Oxford, I mean, Missouri gold. CUSA23/24 teams are in boldface. They are our competition moving forward. RPI - TEAM (CONFERENCE)2. Kentucky (SEC) 3. Florida (SEC) <-- 2023 National Runner-up4. LSU (SEC) <-- 2023 National Champs5. Arkansas (SEC) 6. South Carolina (SEC) 7. Vanderbilt (SEC) <-- 2023 SEC Champs11. Alabama (SEC) 12. Tennessee (SEC) 13. Dallas Baptist (CUSA) <-- Highest RPI in CUSA, but couldn't win the tourney. losers.30. Auburn (SEC) 39. troy state (SBC) 41. Georgia (SEC) <-- "rank"45. Missouri (SEC) <-- "the results ain't good"46. Mississippi State (SEC) <-- 2021 National Champs59. Florida State (ACC) 60. FGCU (ASUN) <-- Highest RPI in the ASUN, but couldn't win the tourney. losers.64. Charlotte (CUSA/AAC23) <-- 2023 CUSA Champs74. Sam Houston State (WAC/CUSA23) <-- 2023 WAC Champs86. Ole Miss (SEC) <-- 2022 National Champs90. Lipscomb (ASUN) <-- 2023 ASUN Champs97. Liberty (ASUN/CUSA23) 99. Ga State (SBC) 104. Ga Southern (SBC) 130. La Tech (CUSA) 137. Western Kentucky (CUSA) 141. USA (SBC) 157. MTSU (CUSA) 163. Kennesaw State (ASUN/CUSA24) 180. Jacksonville State (ASUN/CUSA23) 190. UAB (CUSA/AAC23) 197. FIU (CUSA) 208. SEMO (OVC) <-- In Bieser's final season coaching SEMO in 2016, they finished with an RPI of 58.209. through 305. <-- Nearly 100 other NCAA Div. I teams who compete at a much higher level than JUCO and High School
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Post by jsu1984 on Jun 25, 2023 15:46:20 GMT -6
Next year we will be below 500 in winning percentage . We may win ten conference games and miss the tournament. No major upsets . Year two much the same . I will accept y’all apologies and it’s going to be real sad seeing such a nice stadium be empty. Who are you anyway? Did you attend/ graduate from JSU and when? And age would be interesting. Think you post just to annoy people. And your expectations seem a bit unrealistic or uninformed.
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Post by redcocks on Jun 25, 2023 15:56:09 GMT -6
Let’s hope that the case BUT the results ain’t good. If the resource are so bad they would have settle for the the results they were getting . Instead of going out and getting the Memphis coach that only been there for drum roll please one year and buying out his contract . I mean seems like they wouldn’t be willing to do that . And he did not even make the ncaa tournament during his time . This is a bad hire but time will tell the story . I will give two years then I will be posting I told y’all so . No matter what happens I won’t call for his firing until year two . In 2016, Missouri's baseball team went 26-30 overall, and 9-20 in the SEC, which is widely recognized as the toughest baseball conference in America from top to bottom. The Tigers fired their coach and hired Coach Bieser for the 2017 season. In 2017, Bieser's first year on the job, Mizzou finished 35-21 overall, and 14-16 in the SEC. Their 9-game improvement was recognized as one of the top turnarounds in the country. He had the team trending up every year until COVID came along and wrecked everything. When things got rolling again, he was starting from scratch, and the record shows it. 2021 was his worst season by far, and was the ONLY SEASON AT MISSOURI IN WHICH HE DID NOT FINISH ABOVE .500. In 2022, the Tigers rebounded to a 28-23 finish. In 2023, they improved even more to 30-24. And when the Tigers were eliminated in the SEC tournament by Auburn (which finished with an RPI of 30, higher than every single CUSA school except DBU) Bieser was fired. mizzouman has gone into much more detail here. I'm just scratching the surface. Incidentally, Missouri finished this past season with an RPI of 45, which was ALSO higher than every single CUSA school except DBU. Just for kicks, here's how Bieser's final Missouri team stacks up against teams in the new CUSA, as well as a couple of other opponents of interest. Missouri plays in the SEC East, so those teams are highlighted in Oxford, I mean, Missouri gold. CUSA23/24 teams are in boldface. They are our competition moving forward. RPI - TEAM (CONFERENCE)2. Kentucky (SEC) 3. Florida (SEC) <-- Still playing in 2023 College World Series finals4. LSU (SEC) <-- Still playing in 2023 College World Series finals5. Arkansas (SEC) 6. South Carolina (SEC) 7. Vanderbilt (SEC) <-- 2023 SEC Champs11. Alabama (SEC) 12. Tennessee (SEC) 13. Dallas Baptist (CUSA) <-- Highest RPI in CUSA, but couldn't win the tourney. losers.30. Auburn (SEC) 39. troy state (SBC) 41. Georgia (SEC) <-- "rank"45. Missouri (SEC) <-- "the results ain't good"46. Mississippi State (SEC) <-- 2021 National Champs59. Florida State (ACC) 60. FGCU (ASUN) <-- Highest RPI in the ASUN, but couldn't win the tourney. losers.64. Charlotte (CUSA/AAC23) <-- 2023 CUSA Champs74. Sam Houston State (WAC/CUSA23) <-- 2023 WAC Champs86. Ole Miss (SEC) <-- 2022 National Champs90. Lipscomb (ASUN) <-- 2023 ASUN Champs97. Liberty (ASUN/CUSA23) 99. Ga State (SBC) 104. Ga Southern (SBC) 130. La Tech (CUSA) 137. Western Kentucky (CUSA) 141. USA (SBC) 157. MTSU (CUSA) 163. Kennesaw State (ASUN/CUSA24) 180. Jacksonville State (ASUN/CUSA23) 190. UAB (CUSA/AAC23) 197. FIU (CUSA) 208. SEMO (OVC) <-- In Bieser's final season coaching SEMO in 2016, they finished with an RPI of 58.209. through 305. <-- Nearly 100 other NCAA Div. I teams who compete at a much higher level than JUCO and High SchoolI said time will tell. I’m not going to post about it anymore . We will see what happens. I hope I’m wrong .
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Post by troysux on Jun 25, 2023 16:53:31 GMT -6
Let’s hope that the case BUT the results ain’t good. If the resource are so bad they would have settle for the the results they were getting . Instead of going out and getting the Memphis coach that only been there for drum roll please one year and buying out his contract . I mean seems like they wouldn’t be willing to do that . And he did not even make the ncaa tournament during his time . This is a bad hire but time will tell the story . I will give two years then I will be posting I told y’all so . No matter what happens I won’t call for his firing until year two . In 2016, Missouri's baseball team went 26-30 overall, and 9-20 in the SEC, which is widely recognized as the toughest baseball conference in America from top to bottom. The Tigers fired their coach and hired Coach Bieser for the 2017 season. In 2017, Bieser's first year on the job, Mizzou finished 35-21 overall, and 14-16 in the SEC. Their 9-game improvement was recognized as one of the top turnarounds in the country. He had the team trending up every year until COVID came along and wrecked everything. When things got rolling again, he was starting from scratch, and the record shows it. 2021 was his worst season by far, and was the ONLY SEASON AT MISSOURI IN WHICH HE DID NOT FINISH ABOVE .500. In 2022, the Tigers rebounded to a 28-23 finish. In 2023, they improved even more to 30-24. And when the Tigers were eliminated in the SEC tournament by Auburn (which finished with an RPI of 30, higher than every single CUSA school except DBU) Bieser was fired. mizzouman has gone into much more detail here. I'm just scratching the surface. Incidentally, Missouri finished this past season with an RPI of 45, which was ALSO higher than every single CUSA school except DBU. Just for kicks, here's how Bieser's final Missouri team stacks up against teams in the new CUSA, as well as a couple of other opponents of interest. Missouri plays in the SEC East, so those teams are highlighted in Oxford, I mean, Missouri gold. CUSA23/24 teams are in boldface. They are our competition moving forward. RPI - TEAM (CONFERENCE)2. Kentucky (SEC) 3. Florida (SEC) <-- Still playing in 2023 College World Series finals4. LSU (SEC) <-- Still playing in 2023 College World Series finals5. Arkansas (SEC) 6. South Carolina (SEC) 7. Vanderbilt (SEC) <-- 2023 SEC Champs11. Alabama (SEC) 12. Tennessee (SEC) 13. Dallas Baptist (CUSA) <-- Highest RPI in CUSA, but couldn't win the tourney. losers.30. Auburn (SEC) 39. troy state (SBC) 41. Georgia (SEC) <-- "rank"45. Missouri (SEC) <-- "the results ain't good"46. Mississippi State (SEC) <-- 2021 National Champs59. Florida State (ACC) 60. FGCU (ASUN) <-- Highest RPI in the ASUN, but couldn't win the tourney. losers.64. Charlotte (CUSA/AAC23) <-- 2023 CUSA Champs74. Sam Houston State (WAC/CUSA23) <-- 2023 WAC Champs86. Ole Miss (SEC) <-- 2022 National Champs90. Lipscomb (ASUN) <-- 2023 ASUN Champs97. Liberty (ASUN/CUSA23) 99. Ga State (SBC) 104. Ga Southern (SBC) 130. La Tech (CUSA) 137. Western Kentucky (CUSA) 141. USA (SBC) 157. MTSU (CUSA) 163. Kennesaw State (ASUN/CUSA24) 180. Jacksonville State (ASUN/CUSA23) 190. UAB (CUSA/AAC23) 197. FIU (CUSA) 208. SEMO (OVC) <-- In Bieser's final season coaching SEMO in 2016, they finished with an RPI of 58.209. through 305. <-- Nearly 100 other NCAA Div. I teams who compete at a much higher level than JUCO and High SchoolBut UGA was ranked higher. We should have hired their fired coach.
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Post by troysux on Jun 25, 2023 17:41:36 GMT -6
That hire will not end well. Even if he was an ex NFL QB. Which makes it a little better than hiring any baseball coach from high school. Don’t tell UAB fans that. They haven’t been this excited about a coach since they hired McGee.
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Post by redcocks on Jun 25, 2023 18:10:22 GMT -6
Next year we will be below 500 in winning percentage . We may win ten conference games and miss the tournament. No major upsets . Year two much the same . I will accept y’all apologies and it’s going to be real sad seeing such a nice stadium be empty. Who are you anyway? Did you attend/ graduate from JSU and when? And age would be interesting. Think you post just to annoy people. And your expectations seem a bit unrealistic or uninformed. In the words of The Rock it doesn’t matter what your name is ( well who I am ) . Yes I did and got a degree . I have this unique skill to know when something is bad or isn’t good. I have made a nice career out of that . However sometimes I am wrong . I have a very low tolerance for bs and unmotivated people that just show up to collect their checks . I am not a sharp knife type poster . Meaning I won’t blow you away with my vocabulary but don’t let the blade fool ya .
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 25, 2023 19:02:52 GMT -6
There is no way to say whether or not this or any other hire is a home run or not. What I can say is that his ceiling and ability is high. He is a proven head coach. He has had a lot of success at different levels and only struggled at the very highest level… one that was fraught with challenges as our esteemed poster from the show-me state has explained. Almost all of their losses were to top 20 rpi teams, with a number of wins over teams in the top 10.
Ultimately, I believe his success and ceiling will be limited only by the university and fan’s commitment. If he has the tools he needs, he will win.
Love the hire or hate the hire, it doesn’t matter… he is hired. All we can do is support him and the team. I fall into the camp that feels he is probably the best possible coach we could have gotten, and on paper a strong upgrade.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 25, 2023 19:22:37 GMT -6
My rule, never hire someone you cant fire. If the results are not good let them go, if they are good someone will hire them away.
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 25, 2023 19:59:47 GMT -6
My rule, never hire someone you cant fire. If the results are not good let them go, if they are good someone will hire them away. Good rule… and I will add, never pass someone over because you’re afraid they’ll leave for a better opportunity. Everyone thought Bill would be a lifer because he’s a JSU grad. He left after one season… some people thought Rich Rod would bail after one season if he had success. He had success and is still here. We could lose him any time but the same could be said for any coach… having a coach other teams want is a good problem to have.
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Post by jaxstatealum on Jun 26, 2023 5:50:09 GMT -6
"Not sure you'd have been happy with any hire." That is the quote of the day!!!!
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Post by redcocks on Jun 26, 2023 6:48:45 GMT -6
Doesn’t this sting Bieser was hired away from Southeast Missouri State before the 2017 season and led the Tigers to an overall 188-155-1 record in his seven seasons. However, Mizzou never earned an NCAA Tournament berth under Bieser and failed to make the SEC Tournament in several seasons.
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Post by jaxstatealum on Jun 26, 2023 7:16:42 GMT -6
Who are you anyway? Did you attend/ graduate from JSU and when? And age would be interesting. Think you post just to annoy people. And your expectations seem a bit unrealistic or uninformed. In the words of The Rock it doesn’t matter what your name is ( well who I am ) . Yes I did and got a degree . I have this unique skill to know when something is bad or isn’t good. I have made a nice career out of that . However sometimes I am wrong . I have a very low tolerance for bs and unmotivated people that just show up to collect their checks . I am not a sharp knife type poster . Meaning I won’t blow you away with my vocabulary but don’t let the blade fool ya . I thought you were not going to post anymore.... Let it go dude. You made your point. Let's get excited for the future!! We MAY have hired better, but I PROMISE we have had worse.... Give the guy a chance... Geezzzz
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 26, 2023 8:01:33 GMT -6
Doesn’t this sting Bieser was hired away from Southeast Missouri State before the 2017 season and led the Tigers to an overall 188-155-1 record in his seven seasons. However, Mizzou never earned an NCAA Tournament berth under Bieser and failed to make the SEC Tournament in several seasons. OH MY GOD! THE STIIIIIIIIIING!! You mean to tell me that we hired a guy who took over a crap program in Cape Girardeau and coached them to three straight regular season titles and one NCAA Regional berth in the mighty OHIO VALLEY CONFERENCE and who was then hired to take over a struggling program at Missouri and failed to duplicate that exact same success IN THE STRONGEST FREAKING BASEBALL CONFERENCE IN AMERICA??!! Wow, guys. Looks like we totally underestimated the deep analytical baseball knowledge of our friend here. Or... I dunno... maybe he's just a troll who ignores everything positive Bieser ever did because he failed to play or coach under Rudy Abbott at some point in his illustrious career. (Man... why hire a coach who's won 326 games as a D-I coach when we could've had a local high school coach instead?!) BTW... After taking over Missouri in 2017, Bieser made the SEC tournament in 2017, 2018, and 2019. There was no tournament in 2020 due to the pandemic. In 2021, Bieser had his worst year as coach, as all the work he'd put into building up the program was lost due to COVID. We've been over this. So no tourney appearance this year. In 2022, the Tigers improved, but just missed the cut for the tourney. Again, we've been over this. Keep up. In 2023, the Tigers improved even more, and what do ya know? They made the SEC tourney again. So he's been at Mizzou for seven seasons. One season the tourney was canceled. Of the remaining six seasons, his teams made the tournament in four. The only years he missed it were the two seasons immediately following the COVID break, when he was forced to rebuild for the second time. *sigh ... it's like arguing with a stump. I'm out, guys.
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Post by redcocks on Jun 26, 2023 11:12:28 GMT -6
Doesn’t this sting Bieser was hired away from Southeast Missouri State before the 2017 season and led the Tigers to an overall 188-155-1 record in his seven seasons. However, Mizzou never earned an NCAA Tournament berth under Bieser and failed to make the SEC Tournament in several seasons. OH MY GOD! THE STIIIIIIIIIING!! You mean to tell me that we hired a guy who took over a crap program in Cape Girardeau and coached them to three straight regular season titles and one NCAA Regional berth in the mighty OHIO VALLEY CONFERENCE and who was then hired to take over a struggling program at Missouri and failed to duplicate that exact same success IN THE STRONGEST FREAKING BASEBALL CONFERENCE IN AMERICA??!! Wow, guys. Looks like we totally underestimated the deep analytical baseball knowledge of our friend here. Or... I dunno... maybe he's just a troll who ignores everything positive Bieser ever did because he failed to play or coach under Rudy Abbott at some point in his illustrious career. (Man... why hire a coach who's won 326 games as a D-I coach when we could've had a local high school coach instead?!) BTW... After taking over Missouri in 2017, Bieser made the SEC tournament in 2017, 2018, and 2019. There was no tournament in 2020 due to the pandemic. In 2021, Bieser had his worst year as coach, as all the work he'd put into building up the program was lost due to COVID. We've been over this. So no tourney appearance this year. In 2022, the Tigers improved, but just missed the cut for the tourney. Again, we've been over this. Keep up. In 2023, the Tigers improved even more, and what do ya know? They made the SEC tourney again. So he's been at Mizzou for seven seasons. One season the tourney was canceled. Of the remaining six seasons, his teams made the tournament in four. The only years he missed it were the two seasons immediately following the COVID break, when he was forced to rebuild for the second time. *sigh ... it's like arguing with a stump. I'm out, guys. In two years you and other won’t have to apologize to me for being right but I can see y’all replies now one more year one more year after that . I’m confident I am correct . Also can’t wait until y’all blame NIL for his failure. Sometimes it’s lonely being on top of the mountain.
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