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Post by jsu1984 on Mar 2, 2024 22:40:59 GMT -6
Jax State will never be able to compete in any nil competition. We do not produce graduates that can or will pay to compete. We will always be out spent and if success is based on how deep your pockets are then we will lose. No amount of whining from a few will ever change that. Your whining would be put to more use aimed at your representatives who seem hell bent on destroying amateur football. Winning can and will be accomplished in a different manner. Not in the era of NIL it won’t. Not at Jax St.
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Post by pix99 on Mar 2, 2024 23:15:08 GMT -6
Bad losses to UTEP and NMSU both at home….not good for our CUSA standing What happens when you don’t have NIL money and playing in an old gym . Those are my excuses for losing . What’s yours ? If the Pete is ever filled, it would be a big home-court advantage for us. The gym may be in an older building, but it's a relatively newly renovated court. I don't believe that's really a factor in our poor play. I'd love to see nice video boards & a couple of other things, but the form factor of the gym itself isn't a negative, in my opinion. I remember when Miss. State came to the Pete, & it was a tremendous atmosphere, one of the few times in the last 25 years or so, that I remember it full.
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Post by pix99 on Mar 2, 2024 23:35:58 GMT -6
The NIL page link has nothing but football. The page should at least ask if you want to do an equal split or something like that . The board members are nothing but football, Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. No flaming, just cordially disagree with your assessment of Greg as AD. I've been in cars with him on the way to games, press events and such while he was on a phone call with some AD/coach of another school, some NCAA rep, talking schedule changes, facilities, personnel, etc, & he's a knowledgeable, experienced & skilled promoter of Jax State athletics & the University in total. I don't think Rich Rod would be the head coach without Greg as AD. We're a small school, with no deep pockets as alumni (except maybe Randy O.) & it will ALWAYS be a struggle to attract & keep good coaches in any sport, build/maintain competitive, modern facilities, recruit top players & keep them year after year. And with the changes being announced/rumored regarding NIL, conference shakeup's, and on and on... it's gonna get more difficult to be successful & STAY successful. For JSU at this point in time, I believe Greg's an asset, not a liability.
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Post by jsu1984 on Mar 2, 2024 23:41:53 GMT -6
Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. No flaming, just cordially disagree with your assessment of Greg as AD. I've been in cars with him on the way to games, press events and such while he was on a phone call with some AD/coach of another school, some NCAA rep, talking schedule changes, facilities, personnel, etc, & he's a knowledgeable, experienced & skilled promoter of Jax State athletics & the University in total. I don't think Rich Rod would be the head coach without Greg as AD. We're a small school, with no deep pockets as alumni (except maybe Randy O.) & it will ALWAYS be a struggle to attract & keep good coaches in any sport, build/maintain competitive, modern facilities, recruit top players & keep them year after year. And with the changes being announced/rumored regarding NIL, conference shakeup's, and on and on... it's gonna get more difficult to be successful & STAY successful. For JSU at this point in time, I believe Greg's an asset, not a liability. The Board of Trustees members were mainly responsible for the hiring of Rich Rod. I have never believed Seitz makes any decisions on the hiring and firing of coaches in the 3 major men’s sports.
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Post by pix99 on Mar 2, 2024 23:44:56 GMT -6
No flaming, just cordially disagree with your assessment of Greg as AD. I've been in cars with him on the way to games, press events and such while he was on a phone call with some AD/coach of another school, some NCAA rep, talking schedule changes, facilities, personnel, etc, & he's a knowledgeable, experienced & skilled promoter of Jax State athletics & the University in total. I don't think Rich Rod would be the head coach without Greg as AD. We're a small school, with no deep pockets as alumni (except maybe Randy O.) & it will ALWAYS be a struggle to attract & keep good coaches in any sport, build/maintain competitive, modern facilities, recruit top players & keep them year after year. And with the changes being announced/rumored regarding NIL, conference shakeup's, and on and on... it's gonna get more difficult to be successful & STAY successful. For JSU at this point in time, I believe Greg's an asset, not a liability. The Board of Trustees members were mainly responsible for the hiring of Rich Rod. I have never believed Seitz makes any decisions on the hiring and firing of coaches in the 3 major men’s sports. Your belief would be incorrect.
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Post by oldkappasig on Mar 3, 2024 7:39:25 GMT -6
The NIL page link has nothing but football. The page should at least ask if you want to do an equal split or something like that . The board members are nothing but football, Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. Sorry to inform you but this decision was made above the AD. Greg Seitz does an outstanding job with the cards he has been dealt. When the decision was made by the Trustees to move up there was no NIL. So it seemed like a great idea at the time. Especially if you factor in the deal CUSA gave JSU to join. But now it is all in for football. Like it or not, that's where we are. The decision was made by the Board of Trustees, pure and simple. Everyone below has to live with it and learn to work through it. We have good winning coaches in other sports besides football. Winner coaches absolutely hate loosing. It eats at their insides. It's double bad when they can't compete on a level playing field. Right now the lowest NIL in CUSA basketball is $35K per player at MTSU except for Jax State. We have ZERO. That's not a whine. It's a fact. Why do you think Jim Case retired? He lost the core of his pitching staff to NIL schools.
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Post by redcocks on Mar 3, 2024 8:05:08 GMT -6
Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. Sorry to inform you but this decision was made above the AD. Greg Seitz does an outstanding job with the cards he has been dealt. When the decision was made by the Trustees to move up there was no NIL. So it seemed like a great idea at the time. Especially if you factor in the deal CUSA gave JSU to join. But now it is all in for football. Like it or not, that's where we are. The decision was made by the Board of Trustees, pure and simple. Everyone below has to live with it and learn to work through it. We have good winning coaches in other sports besides football. Winner coaches absolutely hate loosing. It eats at their insides. It's double bad when they can't compete on a level playing field. Right now the lowest NIL in CUSA basketball is $35K per player at MTSU except for Jax State. We have ZERO. That's not a whine. It's a fact. Why do you think Jim Case retired? He lost the core of his pitching staff to NIL schools. This is why I said the NIL should be all in one roof . Everyone that gives knows what % goes to which players . Not who the players are but what sport getting it . What areas need the most help . The board members of the NIL have done a crappy job at getting cooperation sponsorship. Have you looked to see who the sponsors are? I posted about this not long ago. What in the RG doing there b the board ?
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Post by smith79jordan on Mar 3, 2024 8:09:04 GMT -6
The NIL page link has nothing but football. The page should at least ask if you want to do an equal split or something like that . The board members are nothing but football, Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. Greg Seitz is an absolute treasure and godsend for this university. I'm not saying we can do no better than him, but I firmly believe we can do negligibly better than him. He's top-shelf material and has given his all to Jax State for 30 years. Second point, NIL collectives can be formed by anyone. So make one for basketball, baseball and softball. Final point, we have more than one NIL option. Any number of our athletes across several sports can be supported through merchandise purchased at www.jaxstatemerch.com. Maybe don't hitch your wagon to a guy who wants to fire everybody for any little reason.
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Post by brother on Mar 3, 2024 8:54:54 GMT -6
It's not a question of not wanting to help the other sports. We don't even have enough money to adequately help football. It's like if you don't make enough money to pay all your bills, but you barely make enough to pay your mortgage. You pay the mortgage so you are not living on the street. The other bills get paid when your income increases.
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Post by jsu1984 on Mar 3, 2024 12:29:24 GMT -6
The Board of Trustees members were mainly responsible for the hiring of Rich Rod. I have never believed Seitz makes any decisions on the hiring and firing of coaches in the 3 major men’s sports. Your belief would be incorrect. Actually I know the BOT makes these decisions. Know several members of the board personally. It is how things have always been done here. Seitz may make a phone call or 2 but the final decisions and background work is done by the BOT. You are a Seitz supporter and that is fine. But he was hired as AD with zero fund raising and limited administrative experience for the job. That is just a fact .
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Post by jsu1984 on Mar 3, 2024 12:32:59 GMT -6
Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. Greg Seitz is an absolute treasure and godsend for this university. I'm not saying we can do no better than him, but I firmly believe we can do negligibly better than him. He's top-shelf material and has given his all to Jax State for 30 years. Second point, NIL collectives can be formed by anyone. So make one for basketball, baseball and softball. Final point, we have more than one NIL option. Any number of our athletes across several sports can be supported through merchandise purchased at www.jaxstatemerch.com. Maybe don't hitch your wagon to a guy who wants to fire everybody for any little reason. A “ Godsend?” That is a bit strong. I know all the history and his place with everything.
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Post by jsu1984 on Mar 3, 2024 13:31:06 GMT -6
Then that is pathetic if true. Both basketball programs, baseball and softball have dropped off significantly in the 2 years since the football move up was announced. It’s like they have sacrificed every other success for a little football glory. And a good AD wouldn’t let this happen. Have always said Greg Seitz is nothing more more than a sportswriter/ SID who kissed the right butts and was the cheap easy lazy hire. Flame away. Sorry to inform you but this decision was made above the AD. Greg Seitz does an outstanding job with the cards he has been dealt. When the decision was made by the Trustees to move up there was no NIL. So it seemed like a great idea at the time. Especially if you factor in the deal CUSA gave JSU to join. But now it is all in for football. Like it or not, that's where we are. The decision was made by the Board of Trustees, pure and simple. Everyone below has to live with it and learn to work through it. We have good winning coaches in other sports besides football. Winner coaches absolutely hate loosing. It eats at their insides. It's double bad when they can't compete on a level playing field. Right now the lowest NIL in CUSA basketball is $35K per player at MTSU except for Jax State. We have ZERO. That's not a whine. It's a fact. Why do you think Jim Case retired? He lost the core of his pitching staff to NIL schools. I understand the Board of Trustees made the decision to move up. No doubt that is true. But for there to be zero NIL for basketball has to fall on the existing AD in some capacity. Everyone knew NIL was coming. I feared greatly that Jax St was going to be financially over their skis and other sports would suffer greatly when this move was first announced. They are trying to compete with UAB, Troy and South Alabama but do not remotely have the resources to do so. Men’s basketball is going to suffer the most in my opinion. Harper will leave with no NIL available ( or retire) and who would take this job under these circumstances? It’s the same mindset of a story I heard in the mid 90’s when Jax St transitioned from D2 to D1 and FCS in football. Bill Jones was given a laughable travel/ recruiting budget of $3000. All of this sounds like someone buying a million dollar house when they have an income of $50,000 a year with debt.
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Post by onefansopinion on Mar 3, 2024 15:00:51 GMT -6
There is an old saying that fits nicely to where some have taken this conversation. “You get what you pay for.”
Instead of whining, how about this. “Stop gripping and start giving”
Go Jax State!!!
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Post by pix99 on Mar 3, 2024 17:09:04 GMT -6
Your belief would be incorrect. Actually I know the BOT makes these decisions. Know several members of the board personally. It is how things have always been done here. Seitz may make a phone call or 2 but the final decisions and background work is done by the BOT. You are a Seitz supporter and that is fine. But he was hired as AD with zero fund raising and limited administrative experience for the job. That is just a fact . Do the BOT's make ultimate decisions? Yes, not arguing otherwise. Hiring approval or firing for most management level decisions requires approval of the BOT's, (maybe all, don't know for sure on that) but if you think they don't listen & consider opinions like Greg's, I just don't know what to say. You like to appeal to authority, so let me say I too know a BOT or two, plus I've attended dozens of BOT meetings since the mid 90's. I'm not trying to be a "supporter" of Greg's, I'm just sharing what I've seen & heard regarding how the system works. There's plenty of times he & I frustrated each other over how we thought certain things should be done regarding my office's support of athletics. Rich Rod is head football coach, the reason we won 9 games in our first full season at FBS, & the first bowl game in the school's history. And Greg is the moving reason RR was here to do that. The ONLY reason? No. Did the BOT sign off on it? You betcha. Would he be here if the BOT didn't want him here? Nope. But they did those things because it was Greg's recommendation, one they obviously agreed with. Is it possible one of the BOT's had some personal relationship with RR or knew a friend of a friend or some other factors & brought it to Greg's attention with a suggestion to "look into this & see if we can get him" kind of thing, I'd say sure, that could happen. But if so, I still maintain that Greg puts in the work & due diligence & his opinions carry weight with the BOT's & President. If you think all Greg (or really most any AD) does is sit in their office playing solitaire on their computer & the BOT actually runs the day to day operations, again, I can only say, respectfully, you're incorrect. Now that this horse has been thoroughly flogged...
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Post by redcocks on Mar 3, 2024 18:34:27 GMT -6
Actually I know the BOT makes these decisions. Know several members of the board personally. It is how things have always been done here. Seitz may make a phone call or 2 but the final decisions and background work is done by the BOT. You are a Seitz supporter and that is fine. But he was hired as AD with zero fund raising and limited administrative experience for the job. That is just a fact . Do the BOT's make ultimate decisions? Yes, not arguing otherwise. Hiring approval or firing for most management level decisions requires approval of the BOT's, (maybe all, don't know for sure on that) but if you think they don't listen & consider opinions like Greg's, I just don't know what to say. You like to appeal to authority, so let me say I too know a BOT or two, plus I've attended dozens of BOT meetings since the mid 90's. I'm not trying to be a "supporter" of Greg's, I'm just sharing what I've seen & heard regarding how the system works. There's plenty of times he & I frustrated each other over how we thought certain things should be done regarding my office's support of athletics. Rich Rod is head football coach, the reason we won 9 games in our first full season at FBS, & the first bowl game in the school's history. And Greg is the moving reason RR was here to do that. The ONLY reason? No. Did the BOT sign off on it? You betcha. Would he be here if the BOT didn't want him here? Nope. But they did those things because it was Greg's recommendation, one they obviously agreed with. Is it possible one of the BOT's had some personal relationship with RR or knew a friend of a friend or some other factors & brought it to Greg's attention with a suggestion to "look into this & see if we can get him" kind of thing, I'd say sure, that could happen. But if so, I still maintain that Greg puts in the work & due diligence & his opinions carry weight with the BOT's & President. If you think all Greg (or really most any AD) does is sit in their office playing solitaire on their computer & the BOT actually runs the day to day operations, again, I can only say, respectfully, you're incorrect. Now that this horse has been thoroughly flogged... I like Greg but also sometimes I think Greg has driven the car too long BUT I remember the AD that came from JU . I can’t remember that dummy name . Because of him and t gives me pause about making a AD change . Then I know we will be a stepping stone for anyone else and they won’t have the same respect for past coaches . Only down fall to Greg is , he’s not a donation pusher .
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