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Post by JSUSoutherner on Jun 19, 2020 10:41:29 GMT -6
Let me make this CRYSTAL CLEAR. I'm not posting this to discuss politics of the Confederate Flag. I honestly don't give a rip and if you hate it or support it is 100% NOT the reason I'm creating this thread and I expect this thread to stay on topic. Topic being, whether you support or hate the decision, this has some potentially large ramifications on our school and college athletics as a whole. The effects of this decision are what I'd like to discuss here. Not the reasoning of the decision itself. With that all laid out, here's the article: www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29334498/ncaa-extends-policy-banning-championships-where-confederate-flag-flownWill be interesting to see what "prominent presence" entails and exactly what this affects. Does this mean no more FCS Title game in Frisco? No playoffs in the South since those are technically NCAA Championship Events. I'm assuming Bowl games are immune since those aren't really NCAA ran like the FCS playoffs. Thoughts? |
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 19, 2020 11:18:59 GMT -6
It appears from the article to imply that it is flown in an official capacity. South Carolina and Mississippi are cited... Of course South Carolina took down the battle flag in 2015. Mississippi continues to have it as part of their state flag.
Some try to argue that Alabama's state flag is a remnant of the battle flag. In reality it is Saint Patrick's cross (similar to Saint Andrew's Cross), almost identical to the Northern Ireland flag, and part of the Union Jack. The old Spanish flag flown over Alabama until the 1800's was similar.
The only issue I could see if that Alabama offers a Son's of Confederate Veterans license plate that has the confederate battle flag on it. Whether or not that is an official capacity is a legitimate question.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Jun 19, 2020 11:25:10 GMT -6
It appears from the article to imply that it is flown in an official capacity. South Carolina and Mississippi are cited... Of course South Carolina took down the battle flag in 2015. Mississippi continues to have it as part of their state flag. Some try to argue that Alabama's state flag is a remnant of the battle flag. In reality it is Saint Patrick's cross (similar to Saint Andrew's Cross), almost identical to the Northern Ireland flag, and part of the Union Jack. The old Spanish flag flown over Alabama until the 1800's was similar. The only issue I could see if that Alabama offers a Son's of Confederate Veterans license plate that has the confederate battle flag on it. Whether or not that is an official capacity is a legitimate question. Yeah but your would think if it was a case where it is only affecting states that have it in an "official" capacity then they would have said "official" rather than "prominent". It just sounds a lot more vague and encompassing to me. No, Alabama doesn't officially fly the flag at the Capitol anymore but you don't have to look very hard at all to see it around the state. |
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Post by troysux on Jun 19, 2020 13:31:13 GMT -6
Our state coat of arms...  I have heard some complaints about this. It does have the Confederate flag but also flags of the UK, France, and Spain. All the flags of countries that have ruled part of the state. I don’t see the NCAA getting involved with this. A coat of arms many don’t even know exists is different than the state flag. I don’t think the NCAA will go beyond Mississippi on the flag issue. I saw where they won’t let any postseason games (including baseball regionals) in the state. So if by some chance we win a regional and we are paired with a Mississippi school, the supers are at our stadium. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by HighSheriffOfBoom on Jun 19, 2020 15:00:44 GMT -6
Our state coat of arms... I have heard some complaints about this. It does have the Confederate flag but also flags of the UK, France, and Spain. All the flags of countries that have ruled part of the state. I don’t see the NCAA getting involved with this. A coat of arms many don’t even know exists is different than the state flag. I don’t think the NCAA will go beyond Mississippi on the flag issue. I saw where they won’t let any postseason games (including baseball regionals) in the state. So if by some chance we win a regional and we are paired with a Mississippi school, the supers are at our stadium. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Kind of unfair for student athletes at Mississippi and Miss St. to be penalized for issues that are controlled by the state government. The universities themselves have no control either. Even if change is brought about by this, the students there now will be punished for something they can’t fix. I imagine many of those student athletes are not even voting residents of Mississippi. I can see why there are people who want change, but the kids there now will have to pay the price on a tab for a drink the NCAA and the State of Mississippi ordered. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 16:05:20 GMT -6
This is directed solely at Mississippi now. Not that they're ever going to hold important games at either any of those stadiums.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Jun 19, 2020 16:18:51 GMT -6
This is directed solely at Mississippi now. Not that they're ever going to hold important games at either any of those stadiums. In the case this is a "if it's used in official capacity" thing. Maybe. But like I said, the wording makes it seem a bit more open to interpretation. Also I believe our most recent baseball postseason game was in Oxford, Mississississisiipsiiisssppsi, if I remember correctly. It's not just football at play here. |
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Post by brother on Jun 19, 2020 16:30:14 GMT -6
This seems to be only Mississippi. Very few NCAA championship events played there. The most obvious impact would be on Ole Miss and MS State or Southern MS hosting any type of baseball regional. I predict that this will be a very small impact and no one will really care. I also think it will do nothing to encourage Mississippi to change their flag. They are pretty stubborn.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 19, 2020 17:17:22 GMT -6
If this confederate flag is the battle flag why isnt the official flag in the coat of arms?
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 20, 2020 2:30:33 GMT -6
If this confederate flag is the battle flag why isnt the official flag in the coat of arms? Very good point. If the actual flag of the confederacy was in the coat of arms, nobody would even notice.  |
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Post by brother on Jun 20, 2020 6:17:41 GMT -6
Which is basically the Georgia State Flag, but for some reason they are getting a pass. It would seem like if you are flying any confederate flag, that would be insensitive.
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 20, 2020 7:18:53 GMT -6
Which is basically the Georgia State Flag, but for some reason they are getting a pass. It would seem like if you are flying any confederate flag, that would be insensitive. That was kinda my point... nobody knows or cares what the actual flag of the confederacy looked like... that battle flag though... |
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Post by troysux on Jun 20, 2020 8:29:10 GMT -6
Which is basically the Georgia State Flag, but for some reason they are getting a pass. It would seem like if you are flying any confederate flag, that would be insensitive. That was kinda my point... nobody knows or cares what the actual flag of the confederacy looked like... that battle flag though... It is the battle flag that for whatever reason was adopted by the anti-Civil Rights crowd in the 1960s. The flag doesn’t bother me. I guess I am just immune to it after I have seen it my whole life. I do understand why it bothers others. I don’t think you are necessarily racist just because you wave it around. But I do think you are an insensitive asshole. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 20, 2020 9:16:27 GMT -6
That was kinda my point... nobody knows or cares what the actual flag of the confederacy looked like... that battle flag though... It is the battle flag that for whatever reason was adopted by the anti-Civil Rights crowd in the 1960s. The flag doesn’t bother me. I guess I am just immune to it after I have seen it my whole life. I do understand why it bothers others. I don’t think you are necessarily racist just because you wave it around. But I do think you are an insensitive asshole. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Fair point! |
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 21, 2020 7:20:56 GMT -6
Wonder what would happen to European travel (if we ever get to go back) if all of the statues,art, and monuments were removed? There are some complete buttholes left standing or remembered.
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