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Post by pascal on Sept 23, 2021 15:54:55 GMT -6
Per administrators at the Etowah County Alumni meeting today: Regular seating will decrease by about 3000.  But, that does not include seating in the outdoor box seats that are being added - maybe 12? Not good, me thinks! The ROC is the first priority and then Burgess-Snow. The $15,000,000 'gift' from the state has to be spent within 3 years so it gets top attention. The new dorms will have roofs like the existing dorm. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 6:13:51 GMT -6
Even with band day, there were four sections that would have been completely empty if just 10 people would have moved over. A smaller stadium will lead to a better atmosphere. Especially when our rivals start filling up the visitors side after the pandemic is over.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 24, 2021 8:02:15 GMT -6
So it sounds like when it's all said and done we will be right around 21500.
Honestly that's right where we need to be and I think this will really help our Gameday atmosphere.
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Post by jsu02 on Sept 24, 2021 8:52:18 GMT -6
So it sounds like when it's all said and done we will be right around 21500. Honestly that's right where we need to be and I think this will really help our Gameday atmosphere. Agreed. Our better attended games are around that number now. Being able to have more "sell outs" will only help increase demand for tickets and improve the atmosphere. It also probably doesn't include the observation deck in the NW corner. There would still be room to add a few more thousand seats in the SW and NE corners if ever needed or even a full redo of the east endzone seating for the next set of dorms😂 |
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 24, 2021 13:58:26 GMT -6
So it sounds like when it's all said and done we will be right around 21500. Honestly that's right where we need to be and I think this will really help our Gameday atmosphere. Agreed. Our better attended games are around that number now. Being able to have more "sell outs" will only help increase demand for tickets and improve the atmosphere. It also probably doesn't include the observation deck in the NW corner. There would still be room to add a few more thousand seats in the SW and NE corners if ever needed or even a full redo of the east endzone seating for the next set of dorms😂 I believe so as well. This move definitely screams "we need to raise our ticket prices" and honestly, we really do. Creating a better atmosphere and experience will create demand, the lowered supply will drive up prices, which in turn help the program even more. I'm on board for this because as we've seen over the past couple years, the university will reinvest those proceeds to improve itself further. This helps set us up to take the next steps as a program trying to be taken seriously. Quality over quantity. |
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 24, 2021 16:05:28 GMT -6
What if we move to the fbs level and have a home and home with a school like say uab who likely would bring a crowd. Do we play it elsewhere . What does that say. To me it says minor league and a school that should remain fcs/d2.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 16:12:25 GMT -6
That's fine. Let's win an FCS championship. I'm not interested in what-ifs 10 years down the line. We've already got a top 10 FCS stadium in terms of capacity, I think. Empty stadiums look terrible.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 24, 2021 16:22:43 GMT -6
Universities should plan ten years down the road.
If they don't they are left behind by troy St no less.
Perhaps you'd like a repeat of that. Maybe tuna can plan ahead while we sit on our hands thinking only of Saturday.
That would look sweet.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 24, 2021 16:46:34 GMT -6
What if we move to the fbs level and have a home and home with a school like say uab who likely would bring a crowd. Do we play it elsewhere . What does that say. To me it says minor league and a school that should remain fcs/d2. Like UAB? You mean like the school we played a month ago in front of a crowd of less than 10,000? You mean like the school that only averages 20k at home? The school that just $200m on a stadium where half the seats will be empty? What a role model. Troy? Same problem. They have never sold out. South Alabama? Worse problems. Georgia Southern? We average more than they do. Moral of the story? The notion that we have to "Prepare for the future in the FBS” by building an oversized stadium we will never fill will make us just like most everyone else in the G5. An utterly crap GameDay atmosphere due to having more empty seats than people in the stadium on GameDay. No thanks. You wanna know why Alabama, LSU, Michigan, etc have great GameDay atmospheres? It isn't because they have 100k+ stadiums. It's because they fill them to the brim and they are LOUD. Week in and week out. North Dakota State doesn't even seat 20k and their Game Day makes ours look like a high school JV game. |
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 24, 2021 17:35:37 GMT -6
Their dome looks and feels like a cheap high school gym, which is that small for a very simple reason it's a dome in North Dakota. If they had it to do again I bet they'd build it bigger. They'd fill it if it had 30000 seats, not because they have a small stadium but because they win consistently and on a national level.
This is also a major factor in uat filling that huge stadium winning and winning consistently.
Pre saban it wasn't as full.
Uab is not our example but if 10000 uab fans came to JSU it would be full and many JSU fans would be at home leaving money on the table and making us look like we're a d2 team.
If you want to remain little league then keep a small stadium and stay where you are.
If you want to play with the big boys then you'll need to accommodate larger fan bases.
Now if there is the possibility that we build a new stadium in the years to come then by all means shrink your capacity to whatever, but I think we will be in a small stadium for 50 yrs without the ability to make it larger.
Shouldn't we be looking to build a fan base and not turn them away at the gate.
Also failure to plan is a plan to fail.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 24, 2021 17:54:57 GMT -6
Their dome looks and feels like a cheap high school gym, which is that small for a very simple reason it's a dome in North Dakota. If they had it to do again I bet they'd build it bigger. They'd fill it if it had 30000 seats, not because they have a small stadium but because they win consistently and on a national level. This is also a major factor in uat filling that huge stadium winning and winning consistently. Pre saban it wasn't as full. Uab is not our example but if 10000 uab fans came to JSU it would be full and many JSU fans would be at home leaving money on the table and making us look like we're a d2 team. If you want to remain little league then keep a small stadium and stay where you are. If you want to play with the big boys then you'll need to accommodate larger fan bases. Now if there is the possibility that we build a new stadium in the years to come then by all means shrink your capacity to whatever, but I think we will be in a small stadium for 50 yrs without the ability to make it larger. Shouldn't we be looking to build a fan base and not turn them away at the gate. Also failure to plan is a plan to fail. So how big do you think the stadium should be, why should it be that big, and what makes you think we would ever fill it to capacity based on what every other G5 team that's moved from the FCS has done in the past 10 years? Also if UAB isn't our example, who is? I brought them up because that is who you cited as an example of someone we may play. |
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 24, 2021 18:52:51 GMT -6
I'm not advocating enlarging the stadium immensely. Do I do oppose locking yourself into smaller.
If say maybe 30k. We've already had crowds larger than 21,500 and likely will again. But now we'll have to turn people away. Maybe it'll be you or someone you want to bring with you.
Our example should be us we should aim to improve not settle into average.
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Why do you not understand uab was just to point out a local team who could bring a crowd we no long could accommodate. It has nothing to do with whether they sell out their stadium.
We had more than 21,000 at the Chattanooga game and it wasn't because they sell out their stadium. Its because we sold out ours.
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Post by JSUSoutherner on Sept 24, 2021 19:01:40 GMT -6
But now we'll have to turn people away. And then we'll be just like every other program that manages to sell out regularly. And ticket prices will rise until equilibrium is met between supply and demand. All the while our product will be all the better for it. |
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Post by pascal on Sept 24, 2021 22:36:15 GMT -6
"...failure to plan is a plan to fail." ==> one of my favorite expressions. I was a Financial Adviser for a bunch of years and I did many seminars and that was on my handouts and on the board during my presentations. Made a lot of money using of it.
I agree with most of what has been said but I do not like everything about the plan. The end zone is very good but losing so many seats that we have a smaller stadium than crowds that we have already had is not, I believe, a good plan. It puts untenable constraints on future growth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2021 2:32:20 GMT -6
Where are all these extra people going to come from? If we expand to 30k seats, we will be a half empty stadium. I know you guys think that we have 20k people in the stands every week, but it's really more like 12-15 on a good day.
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But, that does not include seating in the outdoor box seats that are being added - maybe 12? Not good, me thinks!
