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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 7, 2022 10:44:16 GMT -6
I think we all know it’d take some small miracle for a team in the G5 to break the top 10 and earn a spot in the playoffs. You can see some political jockeying with the final 4 rankings now to get a desired result with only 4 teams. It’s more about viewers than anything. If Jax state was ranked in the top ten we’d fall out in the last week in favor of a team with more viewers. The same will be true about other teams in the same position as we.
Just watch and see.
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Post by stevo on Sept 7, 2022 13:24:44 GMT -6
I think we all know it’d take some small miracle for a team in the G5 to break the top 10 and earn a spot in the playoffs. You can see some political jockeying with the final 4 rankings now to get a desired result with only 4 teams. It’s more about viewers than anything. If Jax state was ranked in the top ten we’d fall out in the last week in favor of a team with more viewers. The same will be true about other teams in the same position as we. Just watch and see. So you consider Cincinnati getting in the playoffs last year, a miracle?
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 7, 2022 13:26:51 GMT -6
Yes the miracle was their near future conference movement. If they were not leaving the AAC or better yet joining a p5 conference, they’d been ranked a spot or two lower. Like I said politics
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 7, 2022 13:35:14 GMT -6
Ps with their pathetic performance the likelihood of a g5 school getting their again is severely diminished still more.
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Post by troysux on Sept 7, 2022 13:48:21 GMT -6
Oklahoma State came within inches of winning the Big XII. If they beat Baylor they make the playoffs.
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Post by stevo on Sept 7, 2022 14:09:58 GMT -6
Yes! How dare they invite a G5 team that was undefeated and won at Notre Dame and Indiana.
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Post by troysux on Sept 7, 2022 15:55:34 GMT -6
Yes! How dare they invite a G5 team that was undefeated and won at Notre Dame and Indiana. Winning at Indiana isn't that impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 16:22:16 GMT -6
Michigan had a pathetic performance too. Alabama and Georgia were just on another plane of existence. You can't fault Cincinnati.
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Post by Cleburneslim on Sept 7, 2022 19:18:33 GMT -6
Norte dame is a perennial overrated powerhouse also.
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Post by troysux on Sept 7, 2022 20:09:18 GMT -6
Utah State went 11-3 and won the MWC last year. If they win the MWC again, does anyone want to see them face Alabama in the playoffs?
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Post by stevo on Sept 7, 2022 20:31:15 GMT -6
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Post by jsumania on Sept 8, 2022 6:37:07 GMT -6
Utah State went 11-3 and won the MWC last year. If they win the MWC again, does anyone want to see them face Alabama in the playoffs? But there will be years where an undefeated G5 rises up, and they will always be worthy of getting a CFP bid. The undefeated Boise State teams of years past would have been worthy... the 1998 Tulane team would've been worthy... 2017 UCF... 1999 Marshall... hopefully those kind of teams will now get their shot at at the CFP, instead of settling for a bowl game against an inferior opponent.
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Post by stevo on Sept 8, 2022 9:15:50 GMT -6
Utah State went 11-3 and won the MWC last year. If they win the MWC again, does anyone want to see them face Alabama in the playoffs? But there will be years where an undefeated G5 rises up, and they will always be worthy of getting a CFP bid. The undefeated Boise State teams of years past would have been worthy... the 1998 Tulane team would've been worthy... 2017 UCF... 1999 Marshall... hopefully those kind of teams will now get their shot at at the CFP, instead of settling for a bowl game against an inferior opponent. As a reminder, the University of Cincinnati is still a G5 team through next June.
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Post by jsumania on Sept 9, 2022 8:07:19 GMT -6
Seems like with the CFP expansion, it makes sense for the G5 conferences to add more schools to their ranks. It gives the G5 conferences more depth, thus a greater chance of getting a team in the playoff.
I could certainly see the AAC and SBC expanding for that very reason. The SBC commish is already on record saying they would certainly expand to 15 or 16 if a "good fit" appears... and the MWC commish has said he'd gladly bring in Washington State and Oregon State if they get left in the cold.
If that happens, I'm curious what CUSA's response will be.
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Post by Whup Em All on Sept 9, 2022 12:33:16 GMT -6
Seems like with the CFP expansion, it makes sense for the G5 conferences to add more schools to their ranks. It gives the G5 conferences more depth, thus a greater chance of getting a team in the playoff. I could certainly see the AAC and SBC expanding for that very reason. The SBC commish is already on record saying they would certainly expand to 15 or 16 if a "good fit" appears... and the MWC commish has said he'd gladly bring in Washington State and Oregon State if they get left in the cold. If that happens, I'm curious what CUSA's response will be. The biggest limiting factor will be how the CFP payouts are disbursed. Currently, every FBS conference gets $1M per team, regardless of whether they've ever gotten a team in the playoff. But this payout is capped at $10M, meaning you make money up to 10 teams, but then your amount per team starts to go in the other direction. This is the main reason why CUSA stopped (for now) at 9 teams. They could've gone on to 10, but for whatever reason did not. (I'm guessing because of a lack of unanimity on whom to add. Which schools are FBS-ready, would instantly add to the brand for media negotiations, and would not be a detriment in basketball? KSU, SFA, and Tarleton aren't ready yet. EKU doesn't add much when it comes to TV revenue potential. Mo State and UTC don't seem interested in CUSA. Etc.) Regardless, if the new CFP changes how these payouts are structured, it changes a lot when it comes to league decision making. If the payment cap is raised to 12 teams or more, look for CUSA to expand to 12, with an eye toward creating regional subdivisions. (Thus, taking away the biggest complaint people have about CUSA23: travel from FIU to NMSU/UTEP to Liberty.) It's probably HIGHLY unlikely the CFP payment structure will be altered so that only conferences getting a team in get a check. That's too big a gamble even for the lower-tier P5 conferences, let alone G5s. I think they'll alter the minimum payment structure (to account for more schools per conference) but then add in cushy "reward" payments for getting teams in and for advancing into later rounds, sort of how the NCAA Tourney is structured. This would be very agreeable to the big dogs, while still raising the guarantees for the little guys. After this is sorted out, the next limiting factor will be the media deal. If ESPN (or CBS, Fox, or whoever) says, "We want more games. Here's some money for more schools..." then we'll expand. If the networks say, "Eh. We only have a couple of slots available. Add schools if you want to, but we're not paying you more for them..." then we'll hold fast. The big G5 players (AAC, MWC) have benefitted by poaching "big market" teams to appease their corporate overlords. But for the smaller fish, including the Sun Belt and CUSA, there just aren't any "big market" teams floating around out there looking for a home. The best you can hope for is a minor player in a big market, such as Kennesaw, which registers less in the Atlanta market than JSU does in Birmingham. The only other factor for CUSA is basketball. SFA is a top-tier candidate for us not because of their rivalry with SHSU, but because they have strong hoops. If EKU's hoops were at that level, they would likely have gotten an invitation when we did, even with WKU's objection. Hoops is absolutely not the driver that football is, but for a smaller mid-major conference like CUSA, strength does matter. CUSA23 currently only has one "bad" basketball team. Everyone else is at least moderately strong. If we keep it this way, then the chances of CUSA becoming a consistent multi-bid conference go way up, and that means more money for everybody. All things being equal, if and when we expand, the school with the better hoops will probably get the bid. The only way a school can overcome this would be to have an NDSU-caliber football program. And there just aren't many of those out there.
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