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Post by Whup Em All on Nov 10, 2022 10:50:29 GMT -6
Its a slight upgrade but whatever we have to do increase revenue and appearances on national broadcasts. From a revenue standpoint, the new CUSA deal is far more than a slight upgrade over the ASUN and OVC. I believe the older deals we've had were only in the $200K range. The new one is rumored to be $750K-$800K. For most broadcasts not on their top two networks, ESPN relies on the host school to provide equipment and operators. For the lowest tier, ESPN+, they don't even provide announcers. That's why quality is so scattershot on ESPN+. (It's not the platform that sucks. It's the host school.) So no one should expect an "ESPN Game Day" or "SEC on CBS" quality broadcast for low profile games. It's just not going to happen. That said, for the featured CBS games, we should expect a professional quality broadcast, as long as the host school has the appropriate camera platforms and lighting. (Most CUSA schools should have that.) Unfortunately, it probably means we'll have to say goodbye to the good ol' days of watching a JSU road game in a poorly lit stadium with two 80s era wide angle cameras and Jed and Bobby Joe providing play by play and color commentary. Some sacrifices need to be made.
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Post by leeroy on Nov 10, 2022 10:55:50 GMT -6
Bryan Fischer @bryandfischer · 25m Biggest win for CUSA fans: ESPN+ or ESPN3 will carry all non-televised regular season football games and all Olympic sports. A far cry from the patchwork the league has operated with currently. This is big for me. I've enjoyed being able to watch pretty much anything on ESPN+ in the past. Hope the broadcast quality improves with our new conference mates.
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Post by stevo on Nov 10, 2022 11:19:01 GMT -6
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Post by Whup Em All on Nov 10, 2022 13:30:48 GMT -6
A few more details about the deal (no scoops; just summarizing info from multiple sources): - The deal starts at $750K per school per year, but reportedly increases to $800K or more over time (some amount possibly based on performance incentives). EDIT: Some conflicting info says the deal STARTS at $800K.
- CUSA's revenue is behind both the MAC and Sun Belt. The MAC's is $833K, so not far ahead. There's a lot of conflicting info on the Sun Belt's deal. Some SBC aficionados (and even a couple of "journalists") claim $2M per school, but that seems... far-fetched. Each school may in fact receive $2M in league payouts, but this total probably includes CFP and NCAA Tourney payouts in addition to broadcasting revenue. I've seen more realistic numbers anywhere from $500K (seems too low) to just under $1M. The latter seems pretty close.
- CBS has Tier One selection status of 18 football games and 18 men's basketball games. ESPN and CBS Sports Net will share the inventory of midweek football games.
- CBS will televise the CUSA football championship game, CUSA men's basketball championship game, CUSA women's basketball semifinals and finals, and championship games in softball and baseball.
- Most October midweek games will be on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. A "handful" of games will be on Thursday and Friday nights.
- CUSA views this as a sort of starter deal for the new conference. The plan is to perform well and use that leverage for a much better deal in 5 years. That said, it's not a terrible deal at all for a G5 conference.
From the Going for Two podcast:
CBS already has a large gambling-focused package. Disney's Bob Chapek has dropped multiple hints that ESPN will soon launch its own gambling package. This means even some unglamorous games like KSU-FIU might still draw a sizeable number of national viewers who have money on the games. As a college football purist, this isn't thrilling, but it is what it is. The more eyeballs watching, the more money there can be for the networks (and for Jax State) down the line. This is a good thing.
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Post by pubdaze on Nov 11, 2022 7:05:15 GMT -6
A few more details about the deal (no scoops; just summarizing info from multiple sources): - The deal starts at $750K per school per year, but reportedly increases to $800K or more over time (some amount possibly based on performance incentives). EDIT: Some conflicting info says the deal STARTS at $800K.
- CUSA's revenue is behind both the MAC and Sun Belt. The MAC's is $833K, so not far ahead. There's a lot of conflicting info on the Sun Belt's deal. Some SBC aficionados (and even a couple of "journalists") claim $2M per school, but that seems... far-fetched. Each school may in fact receive $2M in league payouts, but this total probably includes CFP and NCAA Tourney payouts in addition to broadcasting revenue. I've seen more realistic numbers anywhere from $500K (seems too low) to just under $1M. The latter seems pretty close.
- CBS has Tier One selection status of 18 football games and 18 men's basketball games. ESPN and CBS Sports Net will share the inventory of midweek football games.
- CBS will televise the CUSA football championship game, CUSA men's basketball championship game, CUSA women's basketball semifinals and finals, and championship games in softball and baseball.
- Most October midweek games will be on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. A "handful" of games will be on Thursday and Friday nights.
- CUSA views this as a sort of starter deal for the new conference. The plan is to perform well and use that leverage for a much better deal in 5 years. That said, it's not a terrible deal at all for a G5 conference.
From the Going for Two podcast:
CBS already has a large gambling-focused package. Disney's Bob Chapek has dropped multiple hints that ESPN will soon launch its own gambling package. This means even some unglamorous games like KSU-FIU might still draw a sizeable number of national viewers who have money on the games. As a college football purist, this isn't thrilling, but it is what it is. The more eyeballs watching, the more money there can be for the networks (and for Jax State) down the line. This is a good thing.
"Most October midweek games will be on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. A "handful" of games will be on Thursday and Friday nights". Tue & Wed night games? WTH?
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Post by gemofthehills on Nov 11, 2022 7:13:38 GMT -6
Why are fans ok with Thursdays but not Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday? All would make it extremely hard for fans who live a long distance away and work.
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Post by troysux on Nov 11, 2022 8:53:40 GMT -6
Why are fans ok with Thursdays but not Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday? All would make it extremely hard for fans who live a long distance away and work. Any games not on Saturday suck.
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Post by leeroy on Nov 11, 2022 9:51:14 GMT -6
I have PTO, and enough advance notice.
I'll probably be there regardless.
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Post by Whup Em All on Nov 11, 2022 10:47:39 GMT -6
Why are fans ok with Thursdays but not Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday? All would make it extremely hard for fans who live a long distance away and work. Any games not on Saturday suck. First off, in reply to troysux's comment: YES. Now back to gem's... Looking at this from the standpoint of an average fan 2+ hours away from Jacksonville. Any mention of "school" is generally assumed to be a fan with children in school (not a JSU student): Monday - Falls at the end of the weekend, which sounds good. "Make it a 3-day weekend!" The problem is, the game is at NIGHT. So if you're traveling from 2 hours away, and you want to stay through the end of the game, it could be 10 p.m. or later before you get on the road back home. That means getting home at midnight (or for those traveling to Georgia, 1 a.m.) on a night when you have work and/or school on Tuesday morning. So you would almost have to miss two days of work/school (Monday + Tuesday). Some people can get away with half-days, so coming in late Tuesday would be one option. Working Monday morning and coming in late Tuesday would be another. However, many fans don't have this kind of flexibility with their jobs. Tuesday - You're probably not coming to this one, but if you do, you face the same issues as Monday: you'll need to miss work on Tuesday and Wednesday. On the plus side, most out of town fans will be able to catch at least part of the game on TV. Wednesday - For some fans, this is exactly the same as Tuesday. For churchgoers who participate in their church's Wednesday night services and activities, this night could be totally off the table. These fans *might* be able to catch the last quarter on TV. Thursday - This is party night for JSU students, and from that standpoint, it's the best midweek day available for student attendance. Fans traveling from out of town are up against the same issue as before -- having to take a couple days off work -- but it's structured a little better, basically creating a long weekend, and for many jobs (certainly not all) Fridays are lighter days anyway. For those who can, you'd work Thursday morning, take off around lunchtime, head to JSU, have a couple hours of tailgating time, take in the game, go to a hotel for the night, and then have Friday to travel home and/or enjoy a mini-vacation. Since this is October, and many schools take their fall breaks around this time, some years you might actually be able to kick off a real fall vacation this way. But in the simplest scenario, once you arrived home Friday morning, you'd have the rest of the weekend to rest, recuperate, or fall back to your normal weekend routine of yardwork, shopping, etc. Friday - For any fan with a kid playing high school ball, or playing in the band, or taking part in cheer, or having a close friend or family member with kids doing the same, Friday nights are completely off the table. This night is for high school ball. For those who don't attend high school games, Friday nights have all the benefits of Thursday nights, but you'd only have to miss one day of work. JSU students tend to travel home on Friday after class -- some so they can attend their high school's football game -- so the University would have a sales job ahead of it. You'd HAVE to convince these students to stick around for Friday night's game. (Saturday's a sales job too, but the missing students are more than made up for by alumni.) The absolute worst part of Friday, though, is its impact on recruiting. Coaches would be unable to travel to area high schools, and the recruits they're targeting would be playing their own games instead of watching the Gamecocks play on TV (or in person). Even worse, if the Gamecocks are playing on a different midweek night, the coaches are free to travel to pretty much ANY high school game on Friday night, since they won't be busy with game prep for Saturday, even if the game is a couple hundred miles away. That's a huge recruiting advantage over teams playing Saturday. But if your midweek game is Friday night, you lose this advantage completely. Friday's just a terrible day for college football. For fans with high school and middle school kids, any midweek game could be a dealbreaker, not just Fridays. Apart from the prospect of missing class, many extracurricular activities take place on weekdays. Around here, most JV football programs play on Tuesday or Thursday. Others have varsity football practice, band practice, cheer practice, in some cases even basketball practice... it's nightmarish. But missing practice is one thing. Missing a game or match is another. When a conflict arises, these fans will just have to watch the JSU game (or what's left of it) on TV. I'm glad it's only in October. But I really wish this deal was only for a single "game of the week" and not for every conference game. But if it gets us on CBSSN and ESPN linear, it's probably worth it for the eyeballs. We just need to find some way to get THOSE WHO CAN ATTEND to attend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2022 10:53:55 GMT -6
We need to have all night games. Screw Alabama and Auburn's schedules. We shouldn't be catering to them. 1pm games are for nobody teams.
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Post by troysux on Nov 11, 2022 12:57:08 GMT -6
We need to have all night games. Screw Alabama and Auburn's schedules. We shouldn't be catering to them. 1pm games are for nobody teams. Bama and Auburn start times are set by TV schedules. Night games are great in September when it is in the 90s at 1:00. October-November need to be during the daytime. But now that we are FBS, the networks will tell us when to start.
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Post by brother on Nov 11, 2022 13:57:06 GMT -6
Some of you are missing the point. Will this damage attendance? Absolutely. Does it matter? No. This is not about butts in the seats. It’s about eyeballs on the TV. This is what we have to do. No need to worry about expanding the stadium though. Let’s save that money.
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Post by stevo on Nov 11, 2022 14:19:10 GMT -6
We need to have all night games. Screw Alabama and Auburn's schedules. We shouldn't be catering to them. 1pm games are for nobody teams. Bama and Auburn start times are set by TV schedules. Night games are great in September when it is in the 90s at 1:00. October-November need to be during the daytime. But now that we are FBS, the networks will tell us when to start. I believe that if the game isn't on CBSSN, ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU, then JSU can set whatever start time they want.
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Post by stevo on Nov 11, 2022 14:46:29 GMT -6
Since ESPN also has the contract with the Sun Belt and the Belt also has a few weeknight games in October, maybe JSU can get a non-conference game with a Sun Belt school during the week.
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Post by Whup Em All on Nov 11, 2022 14:51:27 GMT -6
We need to have all night games. Screw Alabama and Auburn's schedules. We shouldn't be catering to them. 1pm games are for nobody teams. Bama and Auburn start times are set by TV schedules. Night games are great in September when it is in the 90s at 1:00. October-November need to be during the daytime. But now that we are FBS, the networks will tell us when to start. Most October games can still be at night with no issues. It's only toward the very end of the month that you start to get really cold temps most years. There's nothing at all wrong with watching a football game in 40-degree weather. November? Yeah, those need to be daytime as much as possible.
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