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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 21, 2023 3:22:30 GMT -6
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Post by Cleburneslim on Jun 21, 2023 5:14:08 GMT -6
Is hbcu baseball on par with G5? Is it reasonable to assume he would have similar success in Cusa or is he a big fish in. Small pond?
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 21, 2023 6:20:06 GMT -6
Has won at a place most considered impossible to win.
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Post by brother on Jun 21, 2023 6:22:57 GMT -6
He turned that program around due to an influx of hispanic players. He has recruiting connections in the DR, Puerto Rico, and south Florida.
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Post by redcocks on Jun 21, 2023 6:32:18 GMT -6
I was hoping to get a coach that has ties to Coach Abbott. He did not even win the swac tournament nor any major upsets . His team got wax at bama in 7 . No thanks . If Greg hires him , Greg needs to be gone next .
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Post by redcocks on Jun 21, 2023 7:48:27 GMT -6
He turned that program around due to an influx of hispanic players. He has recruiting connections in the DR, Puerto Rico, and south Florida. We don’t need him . He wins 40 games and plays in the swac that he can’t even win and go to the ncaa tournament. He’s 0-2 in the ncaa . Got wax bama in 7 and lost to Sanford and south Alabama . If we hire him Greg needs to be fired or get off the ncaa crap and start being AD because those connections working tournaments haven’t help him . I doubt we hire him
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 21, 2023 9:05:44 GMT -6
I'm not really sold on Vazquez, and it has absolutely nothing to do with his ties (or lack thereof) to Coach Abbott.
1) Vazquez didn't build the winning program at Bama State. The coach who built that program was Mervyl Melendez, whose record at ASU was 158-117 and included four-straight 30-win seasons in his last four years at the helm. Melendez's final season in 2016 saw the Hornets go undefeated in the SWAC with 38 wins and a first-ever SWAC Championship and NCAA berth. Melendez left after 2016 for FIU, a member of CUSA, where he would resign in 2022 after a 16-34 season, his fourth losing season in five years. In fact, Melendez's only winning season at FIU (excluding the abbreviated 2020 COVID season) was his first year in 2017, when he eked out a 31-27 record (finishing right at .500 in conference play). So a coach who had an even more impressive run at Bama State failed miserably in CUSA. Not a good sign.
2) Despite Vazquez's impressive showing against the Gamecocks this season, his overall nonconference record against non-HBCU programs from Alabama and Georgia was not very impressive, even in the last two years, when his Hornet teams were at their best:
(Scores shown in parentheses.)
2023 L to troy state (2-10) L to Ga State (4-6) L to Samford (2-8) W vs Jax State (13-3) L to Bama (7-21) W vs Jax State (4-2) L to troy state (10-13) W vs Ga State (9-2) L to USA (7-9) L to USA (4-9) W vs UAB (6-5)
2022 L to Samford (5-6) L to Bama (2-9) L to Auburn (7-13) L to Samford (5-6) L to UAB (2-3) L to troy state (1-11) L to troy state (4-5) L to USA (0-10) W vs USA (7-4) L to Auburn (5-6) L to Ga State (7-13) L to UAB (4-8) L to Tennessee (0-10, NCAA Tourney) L to Ga Tech (4-13, NCAA Tourney)
3) Bama State's final RPI this season was 126, good enough for tops in the SWAC by a wide margin. (FAMU was next closest at 151.) The problem is, a 126 RPI wouldn't cut it in the ASUN, let alone CUSA. Three teams in the ASUN finished with RPIs under 100 this past season, including CUSA-bound Liberty (RPI 97). Additionally in CUSA, we'll be facing the likes of Sam Houston (74) and Dallas Baptist (13). When we play nonconference games against schools from the Belt, we'll have an equally tough row to hoe. Just looking at the teams we've played recently, troy state (39), Ga State (99), and Ga Southern (104) are all much lower than 126, and even in-state foe Samford of the Southern Conference, finished with an RPI of 62.
Would we embarrass ourselves by hiring Vazquez? No. I think we'd probably be a decent team, year in and year out. But just... decent. Our RPI would probably hover around 150, creeping up to 110 or so on really good years. Our record would be at or around .500 every season. We might even collect an SEC scalp once in a blue moon. We'd routinely be walloped by troy state and Samford, and would never even threaten to win the conference. But we'd be decent.
Could I be wrong about him? Absolutely. He's a heck of a recruiter, with Top 60 recruiting classes on a regular basis. His record at Bama State has been trending up each year, culminating in this year's impressive 41-18 finish. Maybe he comes into Jax State and turns us into DBU-East. It could happen. I just don't think it would.
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Post by King_Gamecock on Jun 21, 2023 9:11:25 GMT -6
He turned that program around due to an influx of hispanic players. He has recruiting connections in the DR, Puerto Rico, and south Florida. We don’t need him . He wins 40 games and plays in the swac that he can’t even win and go to the ncaa tournament. He’s 0-2 in the ncaa . Got wax bama in 7 and lost to Sanford and south Alabama . If we hire him Greg needs to be fired or get off the ncaa crap and start being AD because those connections working tournaments haven’t help him . I doubt we hire him I would actually have no issues with him. He had Bama state higher in the RPI than any HBCU team has a right being. He over performs, which is a nice change of pace. If there are better viable candidates then hire them. If he is the best, he has 5 years to prove his mettle.
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 21, 2023 10:09:07 GMT -6
He had Bama state higher in the RPI than any HBCU team has a right being. He over performs, which is a nice change of pace. This point is not lost on me. HBCUs traditionally suck hard at baseball. (It was almost criminal what Coach Abbott's teams used to do to them back in the day...) I think my biggest fear is that the guy who preceded him (who also had Bama State performing far too well for its own good) didn't fare well at all at another Conference USA program... in south Florida... where baseball is a year-round sport... at a school with a HUGE enrollment of Hispanic/Latino students. The only sport bigger at FIU than baseball is soccer. And yet he couldn't win there... I think if Melendez had won a championship or two (or at least contended) during his time at FIU, I'd feel much better about Vazquez.
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Post by brother on Jun 21, 2023 10:38:45 GMT -6
He turned that program around due to an influx of hispanic players. He has recruiting connections in the DR, Puerto Rico, and south Florida. We don’t need him . He wins 40 games and plays in the swac that he can’t even win and go to the ncaa tournament. He’s 0-2 in the ncaa . Got wax bama in 7 and lost to Sanford and south Alabama . If we hire him Greg needs to be fired or get off the ncaa crap and start being AD because those connections working tournaments haven’t help him . I doubt we hire him We may not hire him, but I still get confused over your logic in firing Greg when you have said that Greg doesn't make these hires.
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Post by ksig2014 on Jun 21, 2023 11:03:28 GMT -6
Honestly, not good enough for me. I am sure there’s a long list of candidates. Keep looking
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Post by oldkappasig on Jun 23, 2023 6:33:24 GMT -6
If this happens definitely a step down. Not surprising with no NIL & none available in near future. Be best if I take a leave from this board.
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Post by jsualum on Jun 23, 2023 6:58:58 GMT -6
If this happens definitely a step down. Not surprising with no NIL & none available in near future. Be best if I take a leave from this board. It would be best for you to organize a NIL collective for baseball.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 23, 2023 6:59:37 GMT -6
The ones making the real money off of NIL are the ones with social media followers. The players need to develop some content to attract viewers.
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Post by redcocks on Jun 23, 2023 7:40:00 GMT -6
The ones making the real money off of NIL are the ones with social media followers. The players need to develop some content to attract viewers. Hear the truth : Jacksonville State will always be the place where players come to play and earn their way , instead of being sold on $$$ and promise stuff . That even the snake oil coach know won’t happen . That’s when the player will enter the transfer portal and land at Jacksonville State . That player will be a better player and even a better person because he put in work instead of chasing oil from a snake . Those players that leave chasing big dreams should remember holes get filled and forgotten.
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