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Post by sprout203 on Jun 11, 2023 7:03:15 GMT -6
It all boils down to personal preference. I don't believe there is an objective measure here. That said, here's my opinion... SUNDAY - NFL. No college game should ever be played at any time on this day. MONDAY NIGHT - NFL. See Sunday. TUESDAY NIGHT - Usually not much competition here, but it's just an odd day for college ball. For those with Mon-Fri jobs, especially if they travel, it wrecks the middle of the work week. You can work maybe a half day Tuesday if you want to tailgate or need to travel. If the game runs long, you'll then either be bleary at work Wednesday morning, or you'll need to take a day or half-day then, too. Not all jobs are the same, but in my experience, Mondays through Wednesdays are the busiest days, with people cramming things in before taking it easy (or even skipping, where possible and permitted) at the end of the work week. WEDNESDAY NIGHT - Probably fine for most people. But for many churchgoers in the South (and not just baptists!) Wednesday nights are for church. One of my best friends in college wouldn't do ANYTHING on a Wednesday night if it conflicted with church. (Not a baptist.) My current church (Southern Baptist) used to have a big fellowship meal on Wednesdays. That ended with the virus of unknown origin, and it's been one of the few things we haven't been able to kickstart back into existence. But even now, we teach hold children/youth bible studies on Wednesday nights. Football on this night is problematic for me, because I'm one of the children's teachers. I don't get to attend many games in person as it is, but this would prevent me from even being able to watch most of the game on TV, and even if I watch a delayed stream, I can't sync it with the Voice, which means I'm stuck with whatever announcers are on the main broadcast. That just takes me out of the game completely. THURSDAY NIGHT - There *are* some high school games and a couple of NFL games on Thursdays, so that's a problem. But when it comes to midweek dates, this is the premium slot. The high school games only conflict with fans connected with those particular games. That's a relatively small number. Diehard NFL fans may watch Thursday Night Football, regardless of who's playing, but MOST college football fans (especially in the South) will choose a college game over an NFL broadcast, unless THEIR team is one of the NFL teams playing. I mean, if it's the Falcons vs the Saints on Thursday night, and JSU's playing the same time, well... the Gamecocks are going to lose a bunch of eyeballs. Otherwise, the NFL game will barely made a dent in the ratings/attendance numbers. The big positive for Thursday night is its timing during the work week. If someone is traveling from Mobile for a 6:30 p.m. kickoff, they can work til noon Thursday and still make it to Jacksonville in time to grab a brat and a beer at the tailgate (if traffic cooperates). Take off Friday, and enjoy a nice long weekend. For students at JSU, Thursday night is party night. I can't think of a better way to get the party started than going to a football game, then migrating together over to the party spot, wherever it happens to be. Sure, this means students will leave in droves after halftime, but doesn't that happen to some extent anyway, even on Saturdays? Are Thursday games ideal? No. But they're not as terrible as some. FRIDAY NIGHT - High school. No college game should ever be played at any time on this day. This isn't just a courtesy to fans. It helps coaches out. You can't do much recruiting if you're stuck on the sidelines of your own game. On top of that, it totally wipes out being able to lure recruits to the college game, since the recruits are also stuck at their own games. This is just an awful, awful choice for college football. Worst night of the week by far. SATURDAY - This is the day the Lord Himself set aside for college football. OK, maybe not, but the reason there's so much competition on this day is because it's by far the best day for The Game. I totally get why CUSA, SBC, the MAC, and others give up Saturdays for a chance of better visibility on TV. I do. But I'm not sure the difference in ratings is large enough to warrant the switch. Even if viewership of a much-anticipated G5 game doubles, you're generally only gaining about a million viewers. The SEC averages nearly SEVEN TIMES that amount as a conference. I think you'd be better served putting out the best product possible on a day set aside for college football, rather than shifting to a less-than-ideal weeknight, even if you get a slight bump in viewership. But that's just my opinion. You really need to take this up with Rich Rod. At the alumni association tour after he was hired, Rich Rod plainly stated his goal was to get Jax State as much NATIONAL exposure as possible. That would involve playing week night games any day of the week. He also said "HE hoped" the fans would get on board with the concept. WE NEED for the public to realize we are relevant. NOT making this up. Rich Rod was clear and I'll be there! Me too!
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 11, 2023 8:21:59 GMT -6
At the same time I would not want to lose KSU, Middle and WKU as opponents. Is the ultimate goal to score more viewers or have Saturday games? Saturday games with more competition seem to be lower rated than midweek games and we have no history of attendance on Tuesday or Wednesday games. If the word gets out those nights should be as easy to attend as a Thursday game. Thursday games in the past have been pretty well attended. In a few months we will get to see if anyone shows. The goal is to have high viewership AND as many traditional Saturday games as possible. Our attendance is going to dwindle with these midweek games. You will see. We'll visit this thread again in December. I would trade home games against KSU, MTSU, and WKU... for Marshall, Southern Miss, Troy, Appalachian State, and Louisiana any day of the week. Looking at past data, will be hard for JSU to get viewers and games on Saturday. G5s dont seem to do real well up against the BIG and SEC. I have no idea how attendance will play out as you said we will have to visit in December to know the results. Agree to disagree, you prefer one group and I prefer another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2023 7:54:50 GMT -6
I still think we will have one of the best attendances in CUSA even with all the weekday games.
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Post by jsualumnus on Jun 15, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -6
I hope so... Should be fun!
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Post by jsu02 on Jun 15, 2023 13:35:11 GMT -6
We need to make the Liberty and WKU games high school nights and give tickets out to every HS student in the surrounding counties.
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 15, 2023 19:33:58 GMT -6
We need to make the Liberty and WKU games high school nights and give tickets out to every HS student in the surrounding counties. 100% this. Anyone reading this who has any direct connections to JSU Athletics, please, I beg of you, MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
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Post by sprout203 on Jun 17, 2023 5:16:21 GMT -6
We need to make the Liberty and WKU games high school nights and give tickets out to every HS student in the surrounding counties. 100% this. Anyone reading this who has any direct connections to JSU Athletics, please, I beg of you, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. You don't need to give tickets. Free admission with student ID!
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Post by sprout203 on Jun 17, 2023 5:24:33 GMT -6
100% this. Anyone reading this who has any direct connections to JSU Athletics, please, I beg of you, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. You don't need to give tickets. Free admission with student ID! Just think......student recruitment, full stadium for TV, awesome home field advantage, more players wanting to play in front of the crowd, the wave like the old days, publicity that dominoes to increased viewers, more Ad revenue, more ticket demand, etc, etc.. All for free with a few simple Facebook posts or phone calls!
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Post by Whup Em All on Jun 17, 2023 12:53:21 GMT -6
100% this. Anyone reading this who has any direct connections to JSU Athletics, please, I beg of you, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. You don't need to give tickets. Free admission with student ID! I disagree. There's a psychological/marketing benefit to giving out tickets. When people are given a ticket, not only does it serve as a physical reminder of the event, with date, time, etc., but people feel they've been given something of actual value. "Kids get in free" promotions really only drive traffic with people who were considering coming anyway. You don't really reach new fans that way.
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Post by sprout203 on Jun 18, 2023 5:40:52 GMT -6
You don't need to give tickets. Free admission with student ID! I disagree. There's a psychological/marketing benefit to giving out tickets. When people are given a ticket, not only does it serve as a physical reminder of the event, with date, time, etc., but people feel they've been given something of actual value. "Kids get in free" promotions really only drive traffic with people who were considering coming anyway. You don't really reach new fans that way. Fair points. But are we capable of the logistics of this in 4 months? Calhoun, Etowah, Cleburn, Talledega, St Clair and Dekalb High Schools get tickets. @anyone else can use a student ID. Maybe 40 High Schools at 300 kids, 12000 tickets 2 games. 24k total distributed in August and September by the recruiters along with information packets about JSU for Seniors.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 18, 2023 7:52:29 GMT -6
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 18, 2023 10:44:54 GMT -6
Looking at the Knight report Jax State will need to increase spending in these areas to be competitive with CUSA and SBC schools
Administration JSU spends 2.3 million JMU-9.63 mil, TSU 2.69 mil, UAB 6.06 mil, WKU 4.4 mil, GSU 5.13 mil Coaches JSU 4.16 mil, JMU 7.47 mil, TSU 7.89 mil, UAB 8.73 mil, WKU 5.9 mil, GSU 7.31 mil Facilities JSU 2.73 mil, JMU 18.56 mil, TSU 10.57 mil, UAB 4.74, WKU 8.14 mil, GSU 6.39 mil Lot of differences, wonder if the accounting is done differently Student Aid JSU 5.65 mil, JMU 10.33 mil, TSU 6.24 mil, UAB 8.25 mil, WKU 6.17 mil, GSU 8.44 mil is this based on regular tuition? Recruiting JSU .34 mil, JMU .48 mil, TSU .42 mil, UAB .63 mil, WKU .6 mil, GSU .32 mil Travel JSU 2.54 mil, JMU 6.4 mil, TSU 2.01 mil, UAB 5.16 mil, WKU 4.55 mil, GSU 3.09 mil
JMU thou officially didnt move to FBS last year it did play a FBS schedule. Here are they delta is a few categories Travel up 3.7 mil Recruiting up .42 mil Coaches up .62 mil Admin up .70 mil
Recruiting is a hard one to understand, hard to believe JMU had a budget of $60,000 in 2021. If so those guys did the best job of anyone in college sports.
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Post by brother on Jun 18, 2023 12:41:12 GMT -6
Looking at the Knight report Jax State will need to increase spending in these areas to be competitive with CUSA and SBC schools Administration JSU spends 2.3 million JMU-9.63 mil, TSU 2.69 mil, UAB 6.06 mil, WKU 4.4 mil, GSU 5.13 mil Coaches JSU 4.16 mil, JMU 7.47 mil, TSU 7.89 mil, UAB 8.73 mil, WKU 5.9 mil, GSU 7.31 mil Facilities JSU 2.73 mil, JMU 18.56 mil, TSU 10.57 mil, UAB 4.74, WKU 8.14 mil, GSU 6.39 mil Lot of differences, wonder if the accounting is done differently Student Aid JSU 5.65 mil, JMU 10.33 mil, TSU 6.24 mil, UAB 8.25 mil, WKU 6.17 mil, GSU 8.44 mil is this based on regular tuition? Recruiting JSU .34 mil, JMU .48 mil, TSU .42 mil, UAB .63 mil, WKU .6 mil, GSU .32 mil Travel JSU 2.54 mil, JMU 6.4 mil, TSU 2.01 mil, UAB 5.16 mil, WKU 4.55 mil, GSU 3.09 mil JMU thou officially didnt move to FBS last year it did play a FBS schedule. Here are they delta is a few categories Travel up 3.7 mil Recruiting up .42 mil Coaches up .62 mil Admin up .70 mil Recruiting is a hard one to understand, hard to believe JMU had a budget of $60,000 in 2021. If so those guys did the best job of anyone in college sports. Don't worry. I was told on here that people will start donating big money to the athletic department once Case is gone.
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Post by onefansopinion on Jun 18, 2023 14:33:21 GMT -6
Looking at the Knight report Jax State will need to increase spending in these areas to be competitive with CUSA and SBC schools Administration JSU spends 2.3 million JMU-9.63 mil, TSU 2.69 mil, UAB 6.06 mil, WKU 4.4 mil, GSU 5.13 mil Coaches JSU 4.16 mil, JMU 7.47 mil, TSU 7.89 mil, UAB 8.73 mil, WKU 5.9 mil, GSU 7.31 mil Facilities JSU 2.73 mil, JMU 18.56 mil, TSU 10.57 mil, UAB 4.74, WKU 8.14 mil, GSU 6.39 mil Lot of differences, wonder if the accounting is done differently Student Aid JSU 5.65 mil, JMU 10.33 mil, TSU 6.24 mil, UAB 8.25 mil, WKU 6.17 mil, GSU 8.44 mil is this based on regular tuition? Recruiting JSU .34 mil, JMU .48 mil, TSU .42 mil, UAB .63 mil, WKU .6 mil, GSU .32 mil Travel JSU 2.54 mil, JMU 6.4 mil, TSU 2.01 mil, UAB 5.16 mil, WKU 4.55 mil, GSU 3.09 mil JMU thou officially didnt move to FBS last year it did play a FBS schedule. Here are they delta is a few categories Travel up 3.7 mil Recruiting up .42 mil Coaches up .62 mil Admin up .70 mil Recruiting is a hard one to understand, hard to believe JMU had a budget of $60,000 in 2021. If so those guys did the best job of anyone in college sports. Don't worry. I was told on here that people will start donating big money to the athletic department once Case is gone. touché……
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Post by gemofthehills on Jun 18, 2023 16:07:17 GMT -6
Looking at the Knight report Jax State will need to increase spending in these areas to be competitive with CUSA and SBC schools Administration JSU spends 2.3 million JMU-9.63 mil, TSU 2.69 mil, UAB 6.06 mil, WKU 4.4 mil, GSU 5.13 mil Coaches JSU 4.16 mil, JMU 7.47 mil, TSU 7.89 mil, UAB 8.73 mil, WKU 5.9 mil, GSU 7.31 mil Facilities JSU 2.73 mil, JMU 18.56 mil, TSU 10.57 mil, UAB 4.74, WKU 8.14 mil, GSU 6.39 mil Lot of differences, wonder if the accounting is done differently Student Aid JSU 5.65 mil, JMU 10.33 mil, TSU 6.24 mil, UAB 8.25 mil, WKU 6.17 mil, GSU 8.44 mil is this based on regular tuition? Recruiting JSU .34 mil, JMU .48 mil, TSU .42 mil, UAB .63 mil, WKU .6 mil, GSU .32 mil Travel JSU 2.54 mil, JMU 6.4 mil, TSU 2.01 mil, UAB 5.16 mil, WKU 4.55 mil, GSU 3.09 mil JMU thou officially didnt move to FBS last year it did play a FBS schedule. Here are they delta is a few categories Travel up 3.7 mil Recruiting up .42 mil Coaches up .62 mil Admin up .70 mil Recruiting is a hard one to understand, hard to believe JMU had a budget of $60,000 in 2021. If so those guys did the best job of anyone in college sports. Don't worry. I was told on here that people will start donating big money to the athletic department once Case is gone. I was surprised by how close our numbers are now. Dont understand the facilities number? JMU isnt spending 20 million per year on new facilities. Student Aid, I assume, is the tuition, room and board of athletes. This should not change a great deal unless we raise cost to regular students. Recruiting is surprising low by everyone. Admin, someone will have to help me out as I have no idea if we are lacking in this area. Sure as with most government areas everyone will swear they need 4 or 5 more assistant to help do a one man job. Coaching salaries appears to be a area some real money will have to be spend. One thing to note JMU garners around 70% of their money from student fees. Rather we continue more along the path of troy state and GaSo and just get more bang for our buck while skipping most of the student fees.
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