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Post by smith79jordan on Oct 22, 2023 7:37:08 GMT -6
I saw Jack Crowe on level 5 against WKU, so...... Interesting thing about old Jack... Prior to moving to the OVC, Jack had never coached a team to a winning season. Not one season above .500. The closest he came was 6-6 at Arkansas in 1991 after losing to UGA in the Independence Bowl. He was fired one game into the 1992 after famously losing to The Citadel. While there is realistically zero chance of Clark being hired back, and I don't anticipate an opening any time soon, we could do much worse. We likely wouldn't extend an offer, and CBC would likely decline it if one were to be offered. If CBC wants to return to coaching, I would think he would take a DC position at a P5 school and then move to a head coaching position when a suitable one opens up. He would make more money as DC at Bama than as HC at JSU, and would benefit greatly from a few years as Saban's understudy. Given his track record and connections in-state, he might even end up the HC in waiting. Prior to Clark at JSU, we had never won a playoff game. In his one season, we made it to the 3rd round. Prior to his arrival at UAB, they had one bowl appearance in 18 years, and lost 59-40 against Timmy Chang's Hawaii squad. In Bill's 7 seasons at UAB, they were 3-2 in bowl games - a bordline miracle given the team having a self-imposed death penalty in 2015/16. I know some call him "Dollar Bill" because of the way he left JSU after one season, but there really is more to the story if I believe what I have been told. He is a great coach, regardless. If Holtz ever leaves the Stallions job, I can see them making Clark an offer. His ties to Birmingham are unmatched by anyone currently available, and judging by the sparse crowd at yesterday's UAB/Memphis games, he was mostly responsible for the magic the Blazers once had.
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Post by brother on Oct 22, 2023 8:36:26 GMT -6
Interesting that King alludes to the fact that there may be more to Bill leaving than money. I know nothing of any of that, but would consider it is a good sign that he is at the game wearing a JSU hat and supporting his school. I understand that he will probably have more lucrative offers, but I think I would make him turn it down. All of that said, I think CRR is the best coach we have had. He runs a disciplined program like CBC did, but he brings a better offense philosophy. We just need to get the players that can run it the right way. All efforts should be made to keep CRR. If he leaves, it will probably come down to the fact that we don't deliver on all of the projects that we need to do and he will want to go somewhere that is more fully committed.
CBC could definitely win here again, but there are other coaches out there that would be interested because of the success CRR has had. It all comes down to MONEY. Will we have the means to step up and be one of the top 10 G5 schools? Not just in wins but in salaries, facilities, NIL, etc. Every good coach out there will want that type of commitment. Doing more with less has kind of been our way for awhile, but the best coaches are going to want to have some advantages and not feel like they are coaching with one hand behind their back.
Crowe deserves some credit for getting us out of the Division 2 mentality even if it was done kicking and screaming. Just think of our our stadium before the new home side addition. And I remember that it was not universally considered that was a good investment. Crowe and some others were right and it's been the best facility upgrade we have ever done since removing the wooden bleachers from Paul Snow.
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Post by troysux on Oct 22, 2023 8:50:27 GMT -6
Clark is still relatively young at 55. But the longer he sits out the less chance there is of him getting a job. And unless he’s lived some lavish lifestyle he really doesn’t need one.
If you want some laughs, check out the UAB board and how they’ve turned on the high school coach they were drooling over a few months ago.
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Post by gemofthehills on Oct 22, 2023 9:19:06 GMT -6
Bill says he is done with coaching. Of course he could change his mind but he seems happy with his current life.
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Post by brother on Oct 22, 2023 11:33:45 GMT -6
Bill says he is done with coaching. Of course he could change his mind but he seems happy with his current life. I can understand that. I was able to retire early and there is nothing that would get me to go back to my previous career.
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Post by stevo on Oct 22, 2023 12:51:47 GMT -6
Interesting that King alludes to the fact that there may be more to Bill leaving than money. I know nothing of any of that, but would consider it is a good sign that he is at the game wearing a JSU hat and supporting his school. I understand that he will probably have more lucrative offers, but I think I would make him turn it down. All of that said, I think CRR is the best coach we have had. He runs a disciplined program like CBC did, but he brings a better offense philosophy. We just need to get the players that can run it the right way. All efforts should be made to keep CRR. If he leaves, it will probably come down to the fact that we don't deliver on all of the projects that we need to do and he will want to go somewhere that is more fully committed. CBC could definitely win here again, but there are other coaches out there that would be interested because of the success CRR has had. It all comes down to MONEY. Will we have the means to step up and be one of the top 10 G5 schools? Not just in wins but in salaries, facilities, NIL, etc. Every good coach out there will want that type of commitment. Doing more with less has kind of been our way for awhile, but the best coaches are going to want to have some advantages and not feel like they are coaching with one hand behind their back. Crowe deserves some credit for getting us out of the Division 2 mentality even if it was done kicking and screaming. Just think of our our stadium before the new home side addition. And I remember that it was not universally considered that was a good investment. Crowe and some others were right and it's been the best facility upgrade we have ever done since removing the wooden bleachers from Paul Snow. Agree with most everything you said except for, "It all comes down to money." Most former head coaches and coordinators that have spent 10+/-years in the G5 or P5 should be in good shape money wise for life. There are a number of former G5 or P5 HC or coordinators that would come to JSU for a below-market salary. Not saying JSU should be cheap but an average total salary for the whole staff is reasonable. No way of proving it, but don't think there is any way that JSU is a top 10 G5 budget.
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Post by brother on Oct 22, 2023 13:12:08 GMT -6
Interesting that King alludes to the fact that there may be more to Bill leaving than money. I know nothing of any of that, but would consider it is a good sign that he is at the game wearing a JSU hat and supporting his school. I understand that he will probably have more lucrative offers, but I think I would make him turn it down. All of that said, I think CRR is the best coach we have had. He runs a disciplined program like CBC did, but he brings a better offense philosophy. We just need to get the players that can run it the right way. All efforts should be made to keep CRR. If he leaves, it will probably come down to the fact that we don't deliver on all of the projects that we need to do and he will want to go somewhere that is more fully committed. CBC could definitely win here again, but there are other coaches out there that would be interested because of the success CRR has had. It all comes down to MONEY. Will we have the means to step up and be one of the top 10 G5 schools? Not just in wins but in salaries, facilities, NIL, etc. Every good coach out there will want that type of commitment. Doing more with less has kind of been our way for awhile, but the best coaches are going to want to have some advantages and not feel like they are coaching with one hand behind their back. Crowe deserves some credit for getting us out of the Division 2 mentality even if it was done kicking and screaming. Just think of our our stadium before the new home side addition. And I remember that it was not universally considered that was a good investment. Crowe and some others were right and it's been the best facility upgrade we have ever done since removing the wooden bleachers from Paul Snow. Agree with most everything you said except for, "It all comes down to money." Most former head coaches and coordinators that have spent 10+/-years in the G5 or P5 should be in good shape money wise for life. There are a number of former G5 or P5 HC or coordinators that would come to JSU for a below-market salary. Not saying JSU should be cheap but an average total salary for the whole staff is reasonable. No way of proving it, but don't think there is any way that JSU is a top 10 G5 budget. I didn't really mean that money for the head coach was the main thing (although that doesn't hurt). Having the money for the facilities, NIL, recruiting budget is just as important. Most coaches want to know that the school is serious about the program and will put in the funds necessary to be competitive in all areas with the better G5 programs. CRR even mentioned this when he was hired. His comment then was that JSU was serious about being successful and were going to spend the money to get it done. If we fail to do that, I'm sure he wold feel duped. Same thing happened to him at West Virginia. I'm not saying that we will fail to do this. I am hopeful that we will raise the money necessary to keep him and his staff, and make ourselves attractive to top recruits.
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Post by Whup Em All on Oct 23, 2023 10:42:36 GMT -6
Somewhere out there is a current (or future) head coach who would love nothing more than to prove how awesome his skills are by stepping into a smaller program like Jax State and leading them to the improbable.
It's an ego thing, but not necessarily a bad thing. Call it balls or chutzpah or whatever, but there's a certain level of swagger that would come with leading a small-town FBS newcomer to the CFP that you just wouldn't enjoy at a school like Memphis or Fresno. Heck, if CRR went to Vandy and led them to a 10-win season, people would talk about him less than if he led Jax State to the CFP. And which would be the tougher job?
I've said it before, I'll say it again, after CBC, I'm never going to make the mistake of assuming we've got a guy locked in. CRR could be gone as soon as the final whistle blows in Las Cruces on Nov. 25. I'm not saying it's not possible or even probable.
But I don't think it's a guarantee, either. The man has something to prove, and now that we're at the FBS level, he can prove it here just as easily as he could at most P5s. He certainly doesn't need to change jobs just for the money.
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Post by troysux on Oct 23, 2023 11:55:04 GMT -6
RichRod is 60. He probably only has a couple more years until the P5 window closes for good.
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Post by jsu02 on Oct 23, 2023 12:04:17 GMT -6
Somewhere out there is a current (or future) head coach who would love nothing more than to prove how awesome his skills are by stepping into a smaller program like Jax State and leading them to the improbable. It's an ego thing, but not necessarily a bad thing. Call it balls or chutzpah or whatever, but there's a certain level of swagger that would come with leading a small-town FBS newcomer to the CFP that you just wouldn't enjoy at a school like Memphis or Fresno. Heck, if CRR went to Vandy and led them to a 10-win season, people would talk about him less than if he led Jax State to the CFP. And which would be the tougher job? I've said it before, I'll say it again, after CBC, I'm never going to make the mistake of assuming we've got a guy locked in. CRR could be gone as soon as the final whistle blows in Las Cruces on Nov. 25. I'm not saying it's not possible or even probable. But I don't think it's a guarantee, either. The man has something to prove, and now that we're at the FBS level, he can prove it here just as easily as he could at most P5s. He certainly doesn't need to change jobs just for the money. Agreed. I think as long as the university shows a good faith effort to give him what he wants, we might get to hang on to him.
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Post by stevo on Oct 31, 2023 8:04:37 GMT -6
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Post by pubdaze on Oct 31, 2023 9:12:18 GMT -6
Somewhere out there is a current (or future) head coach who would love nothing more than to prove how awesome his skills are by stepping into a smaller program like Jax State and leading them to the improbable. It's an ego thing, but not necessarily a bad thing. Call it balls or chutzpah or whatever, but there's a certain level of swagger that would come with leading a small-town FBS newcomer to the CFP that you just wouldn't enjoy at a school like Memphis or Fresno. Heck, if CRR went to Vandy and led them to a 10-win season, people would talk about him less than if he led Jax State to the CFP. And which would be the tougher job? I've said it before, I'll say it again, after CBC, I'm never going to make the mistake of assuming we've got a guy locked in. CRR could be gone as soon as the final whistle blows in Las Cruces on Nov. 25. I'm not saying it's not possible or even probable. But I don't think it's a guarantee, either. The man has something to prove, and now that we're at the FBS level, he can prove it here just as easily as he could at most P5s. He certainly doesn't need to change jobs just for the money. Plus I read or heard that the mountains and slower pace of life in Jacksonville remind him and his wife of WV.
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Post by Whup Em All on Oct 31, 2023 9:42:52 GMT -6
It boils down to this:
1) Rich Rod is a competitive SOB. He'll either want to prove his mettle as a coach by turning an "unlikely" program like Jax State into the next West Virginia, or he'll want another crack at a "Power" school. Obviously, he'll expect Jax State to do as much as it can to help him win here. If he starts to hear "no, we can't afford it" too many times, he won't stick around. That said, this year has proven we're doing a decent job so far of showing it's possible to win here. It may even be easier to win at Jax State than at some of the P5 schools with potential openings. That won't be lost on Rich Rod.
2) Rich Rod is also nearing retirement. So either he'll view a Power job opening as his last big chance, or he'll look at Jax State as the perfect place to wrap up his coaching career: nice mountain town (reminds him of home) and a relatively low-pressure coaching job (we want to win, but making the CFP would likely be our "national championship"). Simply making the CFP wouldn't be enough to satisfy the better P5 programs; at some point, he'd be expected to win it all. That's a much, MUCH higher bar, with all the pressure that comes with it. He once left a great situation for a "prestige" job and it bit him badly. Would he want to chance it again this late in his career? That's the question.
There's no "analysis" involved with either of these. It all boils down to Rich Rod himself (probably in consultation with his wife). If he were 10 years younger, he'd probably already be in negotiations with some other school. But now? At his age? Who knows? We could get lucky.
Several people (especially on twitter/x) have mentioned holding onto his assistants as the biggest hurdle facing Rich Rod at Jax State. And it's true ... guys like Coach Alley are not going to stay here forever. But that's the case at all schools at all levels. Bama can win a national championship and lose both coordinators to head coaching jobs the following season. It's a fact of life in college football. So this possibility is not unique to Jax State or even G5 schools. If Rich Rod opts to retire here (which could happen) we just have to hope he has the same kind of luck/skill hiring replacement assistants that he displayed with his initial staff.
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Post by ntxgamecock on Oct 31, 2023 9:46:14 GMT -6
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Post by stevo on Nov 5, 2023 23:39:45 GMT -6
You asked who would want to coach in West Virginia. If you are talking about Marshall, Grass would be the answer. If WVU comes after HCRR, we will lose him. I would be surprised to see him connected to the Marshall job. They pay less than we do and their undergrad enrollment is (marginally) less than ours. They have more grad students, but not dramatically so. Going to Marshall would be a lateral or marginal move up, and would lock him in into another location for some years... I could see us losing him to a P5 team, but moving to a G5 doesn't make sense at his age... and Huntington isn't hom - Morgantown is, and it is over 200 miles away. Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to Coach Grass. Just for sake of discussion, if CRR wanted to finish his career near home what might become available that's within a 5 hour drive? #1 WV absolutely. But at THIS POINT, Neal Brown has really helped his job status. #2 Pitt--possible Narduzzi goes to Mich State. 90 minute drive. #3 Virginia--Hopefully Tony Elliott gets them going. 4.5 hour drive. #4 Maryland--Locksley has done a good job and might be offered a better P2 job. 4 hour drive. #5 Kentucky--Stoops is from northern Ohio and he knows it is a long shot to ever win the SEC. UK is a very stable job for him, but if he wants to win big, Michigan State might be worth a look. 5 hour drive. #6 Penn State-- Franklin does OK and he has been mentioned in the past at openings. 3.5 hour drive. #7 Virginia Tech--Don't think they would give up on Pry after 2 years. NEVERKNOW. 4 hour drive. #8 Ohio State-- If Ryan Day loses to Michigan again,......very long shot. 3.5 hour drive. #9 Marshall--If Huff wins the Sun Belt, he will be in demand. CRR would really have to want to go back to WV and they would probably match JSU's salary & bonus'. 3 hour drive. Did I leave anyone out? If he doesn't care where he lives he might be interested in say: Indiana, Ole Miss, Duke So how are these schools head coach trending? 1. West Virginia--UP--WV is playing well 2. Pitt--DOWN--turmoil is building 3. Virginia--UP--beating Miami was big 4. Maryland--DOWN--4 losses in a row including Illinois and Northwestern 5. Kentucky--Rebound--Stoops a possibility at Michigan State and we'll see what happens with Harbaugh at Michigan 6. Penn State--UP--they seem happy being the 3rd best team in the Big 10. 7. Virginia Tech--UP--but needs to beat Virginia on the 25th 8. Ohio State--UP--non factor 9. Marshall--Hard to tell--get a big upset the last 2 years but then lose too many conference games Other possible movement: Indiana--will they pay a $20 million buyout for football? Ole Miss--if TX A&M fires Jimbo would they go after Kiffin? CRR was the OC at Ole Miss in 2019 Duke--Elko will be a hot name in this cycle Syracuse--going down hill Mississippi State--this one has become a topic the last couple weeks. New AD. Low buyout. Iowa State--Matt Campbell should be a candidate at Michigan State and the possible Michigan opening. It's hard to get stars at Iowa State. CRR might be the guy to build a good roster there. Cal--CRR probably has an opinion from his time at Arizona. Iowa--will Ferentz retire. At 68 years old it would be hard to stay after they fired your son. Any others?
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