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Post by warthog on Jan 29, 2024 7:45:29 GMT -6
It may be time to order one of these. Whup TroyMaybe when they spell it right. Spell what right? troy state? Whup? They followed the rules. The only acceptable use of "troy" and not "troy state" is when it is preceded by "Whup" or followed by "Sucks".
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Post by Whup Em All on Jan 29, 2024 8:55:02 GMT -6
Maybe when they spell it right. Spell what right? troy state? Whup? They followed the rules. The only acceptable use of "troy" and not "troy state" is when it is preceded by "Whup" or followed by "Sucks". Beat me to it. It's always been "Whup Troy", not "Whup troy state", which is just wrong. And while "troy state sucks" is certainly permissible, "Troy Sucks" is short, sweet, and works well in a number of applications.
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Post by jsumania on Jan 29, 2024 9:06:16 GMT -6
That's your homerism speaking. Hard to call that a low performance group when they finish as the best G5 conference. Those are some hard arguments my friend. Its not homerism but I have not drank the SBC Kool Aid being served for the last 2 years. I guess you missed the bowl season. How do you are anyone get they are the best G5? That is being unrealistic at best. It's a little obvious you don't like the SBC (which is fine), but it prevents you from accepting some facts whenever the SBC is mentioned. Myself and others get that they are the best G5 THIS YEAR because almost all of the metrics for the 2023 season say so. They had the best overall performance in OOC games than any other G5. They're going to receive the highest payout from the CFP this year because of their performance. It's just facts. I don't believe the SBC is going to be the best G5 every year though. I believe that will be a revolving door between CUSA, AAC, SBC, and MWC.
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Post by gemofthehills on Jan 29, 2024 9:35:13 GMT -6
Its not homerism but I have not drank the SBC Kool Aid being served for the last 2 years. I guess you missed the bowl season. How do you are anyone get they are the best G5? That is being unrealistic at best. It's a little obvious you don't like the SBC (which is fine), but it prevents you from accepting some facts whenever the SBC is mentioned. Myself and others get that they are the best G5 THIS YEAR because almost all of the metrics for the 2023 season say so. They had the best overall performance in OOC games than any other G5. They're going to receive the highest payout from the CFP this year because of their performance. It's just facts. I don't believe the SBC is going to be the best G5 every year though. I believe that will be a revolving door between CUSA, AAC, SBC, and MWC. You cant see passed your love for the SBC to see my thought are not based on hate but perfromance. And yes the all beat up on one another and were overrated at the start of the season. May talk your self into believing the SBC the the best but bowl season told a much different story. Anyone can develop a computer program to say any conference is the best but always remember your best conference has yet to produce a NY6 team, that is a fact not a computer data point.
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Post by Whup Em All on Jan 29, 2024 9:45:07 GMT -6
The comments about power 4/5 and lower was something . I’m watching App State and JMU in basketball and the gym is full of fans . We really need to play catch to reach schools like App State . Going to be hard to catch App when even the people on here want to settle for "what we are". Just go to the thread about trying to reach R status, several have quit before we start. Cant do it because Tuscalossa and Auburn dont want it. App students and alums do not have the same mentality. Pride and ambition goes a long ways towards growing a fan base. We are not a research institution. Until that changes, our near-term goal academically should be D/PU, not R2. BTW, since App State was brought up, they have the exact same Carnegie classification as Jax State: "Master's Colleges & Universities: Larger Programs" (M1). So being realistic about our academic classification isn't "settling" for anything. The Sun Belt has slightly more R1 (Very High Research Activity) schools than CUSA, with 28.6% R1 schools to CUSA's 27.2%. However, CUSA has the edge in R2 (High Research Activity) schools, with 45.5% R2 schools to SBC's 42.9%. Looking at research institutions overall, CUSA comes out just on top, 72.7% to 71.4%. Factor in D/PUs (Doctoral/Professional Universities), where CUSA has a 2-1 advantage, and CUSA takes a big lead in the percentage of Research/Doctoral Universities (R1, R2, D/PU) at 90.9% to the SBC's 78.6%. Jax State is the only M1 university in CUSA. Over in the Belt, App, Coastal, and troy state share this distinction. Here are the current Carnegie classifications for all schools in the two conferences: CUSADelaware - R1 FIU - R1 UTEP - R1 Kenny - R2 La Tech - R2 MTSU - R2 NMSU - R2 Sammy - R2 Liberty - D/PU WKU - D/PU Jax State - M1 Note: I didn't include DBU above since they are baseball-only, but FYI, they are classified D/PU.SBCGa State - R1 LA-La - R1 ODU - R1 Southern Miss - R1 Ark State - R2 JMU - R2 Ga Southern - R2 Marshall - R2 Texas State - R2 USA - R2 ULM - D/PU App State - M1 Coastal - M1 troy state - M1
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Post by jsumania on Jan 29, 2024 10:19:03 GMT -6
It's a little obvious you don't like the SBC (which is fine), but it prevents you from accepting some facts whenever the SBC is mentioned. Myself and others get that they are the best G5 THIS YEAR because almost all of the metrics for the 2023 season say so. They had the best overall performance in OOC games than any other G5. They're going to receive the highest payout from the CFP this year because of their performance. It's just facts. I don't believe the SBC is going to be the best G5 every year though. I believe that will be a revolving door between CUSA, AAC, SBC, and MWC. You cant see passed your love for the SBC to see my thought are not based on hate but perfromance. And yes the all beat up on one another and were overrated at the start of the season. May talk your self into believing the SBC the the best but bowl season told a much different story. Anyone can develop a computer program to say any conference is the best but always remember your best conference has yet to produce a NY6 team, that is a fact not a computer data point. No love for the SBC here. I'm just being real. I don't need to talk myself into the SBC being the best G5 this season. The data, stats, performance, etc. say it all. And you're basing the SBC's season on 12 games out of a 68-game OOC season? If the data said CUSA was the best G5 next year, would you agree? Or will you stick with your computer argument?
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Post by jsumania on Jan 29, 2024 10:43:38 GMT -6
Going to be hard to catch App when even the people on here want to settle for "what we are". Just go to the thread about trying to reach R status, several have quit before we start. Cant do it because Tuscalossa and Auburn dont want it. App students and alums do not have the same mentality. Pride and ambition goes a long ways towards growing a fan base. We are not a research institution. Until that changes, our near-term goal academically should be D/PU, not R2. BTW, since App State was brought up, they have the exact same Carnegie classification as Jax State: "Master's Colleges & Universities: Larger Programs" (M1). So being realistic about our academic classification isn't "settling" for anything. It's a social trap to believe that research institutions are somehow better than M1 universities. The academic scope is simply different. One isn't necessarily better than the other. R1 Southern Miss will churn out top-notch engineers, nutritionists, and sports medicine physicians that we can't. M1 Jax State will churn out top-notch nurse practitioners, educators, and cyber security analysts that USM can't. Not to say we can't gradually make our way toward Carnegie classification... but it's going to take time. JSU will need more infrastructure, staff, partnerships, and money.
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Post by Whup Em All on Jan 29, 2024 10:56:17 GMT -6
We are not a research institution. Until that changes, our near-term goal academically should be D/PU, not R2. BTW, since App State was brought up, they have the exact same Carnegie classification as Jax State: "Master's Colleges & Universities: Larger Programs" (M1). So being realistic about our academic classification isn't "settling" for anything. It's a social trap to believe that research institutions are somehow better than M1 universities. The academic scope is simply different. One isn't necessarily better than the other. R1 Southern Miss will churn out top-notch engineers, nutritionists, and sports medicine physicians that we can't. M1 Jax State will churn out top-notch nurse practitioners, educators, and cyber security analysts that USM can't. D/PU is the most direct "improvement" over M1. It simply means we offer a larger variety of doctoral and professional programs than M1 universities do. We can still churn out the same pool of graduates as a D/PU institution; they'd just have access to more advanced degrees than we currently offer. (Actually, we already offer doctorates for NPs, educators, and disaster management. But we can always add doctoral degrees to our current Masters programs where they're not currently offered. With state support, this would be an achievable goal.)
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Post by gemofthehills on Jan 29, 2024 10:57:46 GMT -6
You cant see passed your love for the SBC to see my thought are not based on hate but perfromance. And yes the all beat up on one another and were overrated at the start of the season. May talk your self into believing the SBC the the best but bowl season told a much different story. Anyone can develop a computer program to say any conference is the best but always remember your best conference has yet to produce a NY6 team, that is a fact not a computer data point. No love for the SBC here. I'm just being real. I don't need to talk myself into the SBC being the best G5 this season. The data, stats, performance, etc. say it all. And you're basing the SBC's season on 12 games out of a 68-game OOC season? If the data said CUSA was the best G5 next year, would you agree? Or will you stick with your computer argument? I wont be basing it on a computer developed by some IT guy. Never been a computer guy as transistive properties do not work well in athletics. And yes I put more on the finished product than early season play. When your best two teams have dismal showing in the bowl games it does not look good. Air Force and Duke had their way with both. If your goal is to have a bunch of average team then maybe SBC is your top. I perfer a league with more top level teams than a bunch of average ones. Plus Im not one who thinks all things tory state and SBC are great, its not hate just hold bigger aspirations. Hope that isnt JSUs goal in this whole FBS move.
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Post by jsumania on Jan 29, 2024 11:08:46 GMT -6
No love for the SBC here. I'm just being real. I don't need to talk myself into the SBC being the best G5 this season. The data, stats, performance, etc. say it all. And you're basing the SBC's season on 12 games out of a 68-game OOC season? If the data said CUSA was the best G5 next year, would you agree? Or will you stick with your computer argument? I wont be basing it on a computer developed by some IT guy. Never been a computer guy as transistive properties do not work well in athletics. And yes I put more on the finished product than early season play. When your best two teams have dismal showing in the bowl games it does not look good. Air Force and Duke had their way with both. If your goal is to have a bunch of average team then maybe SBC is your top. I perfer a league with more top level teams than a bunch of average ones. Plus Im not one who thinks all things tory state and SBC are great, its not hate just hold bigger aspirations. Hope that isnt JSUs goal in this whole FBS move. G5 schools that lose their coaching staff and players to the portal before a bowl game is a finished product? If we ever lose HCRR and lose a bunch of players to the portal before a bowl, I sure hope that wouldn't be considered our finished product.
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Post by oldkappasig on Jan 29, 2024 11:13:25 GMT -6
It may be time to order one of these. Whup TroyMaybe when they spell it right. There is a story why it's spelled WHUP TROY And that DOESN"T need to change.
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Post by stevo on Jan 29, 2024 11:36:06 GMT -6
No love for the SBC here. I'm just being real. I don't need to talk myself into the SBC being the best G5 this season. The data, stats, performance, etc. say it all. And you're basing the SBC's season on 12 games out of a 68-game OOC season? If the data said CUSA was the best G5 next year, would you agree? Or will you stick with your computer argument? I wont be basing it on a computer developed by some IT guy. Never been a computer guy as transistive properties do not work well in athletics. And yes I put more on the finished product than early season play. When your best two teams have dismal showing in the bowl games it does not look good. Air Force and Duke had their way with both. If your goal is to have a bunch of average team then maybe SBC is your top. I perfer a league with more top level teams than a bunch of average ones. Plus Im not one who thinks all things tory state and SBC are great, its not hate just hold bigger aspirations. Hope that isnt JSUs goal in this whole FBS move. Who is more dismal? Who had their way?
Sunbelt top 2
Duke 17 Troy 10
Air Force 31 JMU 21
CUSA top 2
Oregon 45 Liberty 6
Fresno St 37 NMSU 10
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Post by jsumania on Jan 29, 2024 13:25:54 GMT -6
I wont be basing it on a computer developed by some IT guy. Never been a computer guy as transistive properties do not work well in athletics. And yes I put more on the finished product than early season play. When your best two teams have dismal showing in the bowl games it does not look good. Air Force and Duke had their way with both. If your goal is to have a bunch of average team then maybe SBC is your top. I perfer a league with more top level teams than a bunch of average ones. Plus Im not one who thinks all things tory state and SBC are great, its not hate just hold bigger aspirations. Hope that isnt JSUs goal in this whole FBS move. Who is more dismal? Who had their way?
Sunbelt top 2
Duke 17 Troy 10
Air Force 31 JMU 21
CUSA top 2
Oregon 45 Liberty 6
Fresno St 37 NMSU 10
Exactly. And we all saw how good NMSU was this season. Do we really believe that the 10-4 NMSU that got hammered by Fresno State, had their HC leave, and lost their starting QB was the "finished product"? Was that game representative of NMSU's season and of CUSA?
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Post by stevo on Jan 29, 2024 14:13:54 GMT -6
NMSU's QB and head coach were there for that bowl game. So, it was very close to the finished product.
It's very close between the Sunbelt and CUSA. Neither side has anything to brag about.
Who was Liberty's best victory against? JMU and Troy didn't have any great wins either.
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Post by jsumania on Jan 29, 2024 14:20:01 GMT -6
NMSU's QB and head coach were there for that bowl game. So, it was very close to the finished product. Oh geez, I thought Jerry Kill and Pavia were gone by then.
That's even worse than I thought.
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